Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 2/20/2010

Title: PLP = Waste of time

The PLP has shown itself to be a complete waste of the people's time and money. How long it takes the Bahamian people to figure that out is another matter entirely. LOP's drug scandal, the 80's gangster era for the rest of the party, Commission of Inquiry revelations, Korean boats, Anna Nicole Smith scandal, Punch out in parliament, John Travolta scandal, election courts every time... What more do the people need to see to convince them that these people are jokers? What about the fact that stuff gets done when the FNM is in power and NOTHING GETS DONE when the PLP is in power. Does this not register with people? How dark are the tints on their sunglasses? WAKE UP BAHAMAS!

Posted By: Reds On: 2/20/2010

Title: True to Self N Country

I wish persons would be come independent thinkers and not clouded by either FNM or PLP etc.........Eventhough you may support a particular party this does cancel what is right from what is wrong, what is legal from what is not, what is credible and what is not..I have no reservations speaking out when I feel the party or person I may have supported does something wrong. That is apart of growth and maturity and has nothing to do with weather you are a traitor. We should be the first to citicize those who we have entrusted. That is why both parties have been able to play these STONE AGE POLITICAL GAMES with the bahamain people for all these years.
So come people stop the bickering among yourselves and get the facts.

Posted By: Time to grow up Bahamas On: 2/20/2010

Title: UNBIAS ME

What does it take for Saxons to admit the Valley was better? What does it take for the Valley to admit the Saxons was better? What does it take for a PLP to admit the FNM is better? What does it take for an FNM to admit the PLP is better? Ahhh... the power of BIAS! We're all watching the same parade but seeing different outcomes. Where is the objectivity and common sense? This is such a powerful forum and opportunity if used wisely, instead of just reiterating party drivel.

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/20/2010

Title: Johnson

I am from Elizabeth. That's all you need to know. Just know that I personally know three of these persons. Goodnight.

Posted By: Johnson Says On: 2/20/2010

Title: @ Lizzi Voter

What do you mean, 'As far as Im concerned they were eligible to vote'? How do you know? The protest ballots were all people who were not on the register but had Elizabeth voters cards. The most common reason for this is that they used to live in Elizabeth, and got their voters cards before, but then moved out. This is the most likely explanation by far. Do you have any proof that they are eligible, or would you just like to believe this?

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/20/2010

Title: Just a Bahamian

The Protest ballots are votes!!! the only difference is they are protest ballots because the voters were either not on the voting list or it was just a mistake but as far as I am concerned, they were eligible to vote. As for the citizenship issue, our Parliamentary commissioner didn't just take Ryan's word when it said he renounced his citizenship...you think he that slack...that was investigated and proved to be true. Just because the tribune or zns didn't get the specifics, doesn't mean he didn't do it. You really think the PLP would do such a thing??? come on...although yal continuously paints a bad picture of us, we have standards. Let me just remind you that the PLP consists of Lawyers and other professionals just like the FNM. We are not a bunch of fools who don't know anything. Every and any decision we make are well thought about then implemented. As for the ballots, all 5 of them took an oath and their ballots will be protested, and when it is all said and done, Ryan will be the official member of Parliament for Elizabeth.

Posted By: Just a Bahamian On: 2/20/2010

Title: @Lizzie Voter

Ryan Pinder has not produced a shred of evidence that he renounced his citizenship. The Tribune would have it and would have reported on it if he had. The only evidence we have of such an act is that he said he did it. The US does not just "let" a person do such a thing. And, it does not take days but months per the very good Tribune article on same which you should read. How will you feel about this if he in fact, has not done it or, if the US rejected his attempt at doing it? Will your opinion be the same on this? As for the 5 protest votes, it sounds as if you believe they are valid votes. Right now, they are not votes but "protest ballots". Did the 3 people you know ask to take an Oath and demand their votes be counted? I am sorry, but if that were the case, I am sure the Tribune and ZNS and the PLP would have made a big stink about it all.

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/19/2010

Title: Objective

Yes that is clearly the mentality of many Bahamians, and unfortunately, many of them are FNMs. There are die heart FNM supporters as well as PLP. No matter what happens, they will still vote FNM/PLP because that is what they are. You are entitled to your own opinion and I am entitled to mine. I saw fit to vote for Ryan Pinder and that is my choice. I am entitled to it and I did it. I really don't care what you say to me or think about me because who are you to tell me that I am wrong for voting for Ryan and you are so right??? I don't see why you even arguing with me because you don't live in Elizabeth. You have more to say than the actual residents. We have a voice. We can speak for ourselves. We don't need you to do it. Our voice was heard on Tuesday and that is why Ryan received the most votes. Get over it. I wish not to go any further with this argument because no matter what we say to each other, you will remain FNM and I will remain PLP. I can't convince you to change and you definately can't convince me. I am not stupid and I know you ain't stupid. We just have different point of views and as far as I can remember, I loved the way Perry Christie ran this country. I could have picked, choose and refuse jobs. If you wans't hired under Christie's administration, that was because you didn't wanted to work. But I can and do observe what is happening in the Bahamas today and based on my observation, I voted for Ryan. Case close, vote was counted, and I rolled with Ryan.

Posted By: Objective On: 2/19/2010

Title: vote

@Lizzi voter. "Will Die PLP orFNM". This clearly tell us the mentality of some Bahamians. You should not vote based on Party, but rather the Vision, Platform and Character of the individual running for MP. That is why the country is in the mess it is today. Bahamains must educate themselves to the facts. How many of you know about the world recession and its causes. Look around and see if positive changes are being made in the country, and if you fair and honest, your answer should be "Yes". Many of us complain, but few of us have solutions, many of us complain, but fee of us action or do anything to help our country succeed. We all know the platform of the PLP, and we all know how so many persons use the PLP to get what they want, and when they cannot, they switch parties, to see if they could get it from them. Not under the FNM, it goes by the books, by the laws, and that is what every citizen should do, especially since we call our selves a christian nation. I will never be a die hard anything, but will place my vote on the best man for the job! Today that happens to be Hubert Ingraham!

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/19/2010

Title: Just a Bahamian

It also means he is a Bahamian. Not to mention that he renounced his citizenship. And who is to say that my arguments are soo wrong and yours are soo right? thats what I don't get with yal FNMs...always think yal soo right, and we soo wrong!! Listen here, he that is without sin, cast the first stone. Nothing you say can be proven so as far as I am concerned, its propoganda. As for the Election court battle, it is mandated by law that the 5 protest ballots be counted in court for legitimacy purposes, regardless if the PLP wants to go to court or not. Truth is, that seat belongs to Ryan Pinder because all 5 of those protest ballots were residents of Elizabeth whom I personally know of 3. Face it, FNM lost that seat, inspite of being the Government and that sends a clear and concise message to Bahamians..one that tells us that we are not buying for the FNM..even after being iin power for almost three years. Another thing is that those 5 voters has the God given right to vote and their vote should be counted that is why it's going to court. The law is the law and we can't change it. This is a Democratic society and we have the right to go to court if we want to. So too bad, too sad. Elizabeth voted, and the majority voted for Ryan!

Posted By: Just a Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Lizzie Voter

I am sorry that you are so misguided as to be able to state in one sentence that Ryan Pinder is not an American but a dual citizen. That means he is an American. Your own arguments cancel themselves out. He could have voted in the Bahamas if he wanted to legally when he was student - and he did not at all. If you are going to make arguments, make sure they are correct or they are just spin, spin, spin. You throw your support behind someone who has shown zero actions only words about our fair country - frankly, it affects us all as Bahamians. That is disconcerting and seems like you want your individual preferences to override national necessity. There can be no argument about this: Our country cannot afford an election dispute just like we could not afford a mistrial in the Pleasant Bridgewater case. PLP actions do not seem to taking the Bahamas as a unified country and whole into consideration - no matter what party color you are flying. That is just plain truth. Unemployment gets worse - then let's see how much money we don't have for our people because of this election court battle. As for the question of PLP debts posed by another commentator - I would also like to know if they have paid for all of the other Election Court cases they themselves instituted. This makes no sense.

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/19/2010

Title: 100% Bahamian

Cry all the shame you want...that's who we wanted so that's who we voted for, whether you like it or not. Do not worry about our constituency, worry about your own. Crying shame doesn't change anything. Pinder is not an American, he had dual citizenship. He lived in America for quite some years but also lived here because his father was an MP also so you don't have a strong point, sorry. He couldn't vote here because he would have to be living here for at least 6 months which wasn't the case. However, that doesn't change the fact the he is a Bahamian. So stop trying to find something to dig up against Mr. Pinder cause een nuttin happenin, n we proved that with the bye-election, so give up!

Posted By: 100% Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: Congratulations To The Tribune

The Tribune and the online team must be commended for a job well done. Thanks for keeping me posted. I am A Bahamian currently attending college in Atlanta, but i was able to go on your website and keep up with all the election information in real time. Well done ! The Tribune is the Only Newspaper I can Count on. Keep up the Good work

Posted By: 100% Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: Shame on The P.L.P

The P.LP. dosen't respect the people of Elizabeth decision. Tell Mr. Pinder to go back to The United States where he voted 2 years ago. Its a shame that the P.L.P would nominate an a American who never voted in the Bahamas in his whole entire life. This is an insult to all the people living in Elizabeth. I cry shame on Mr. Pinder and the P.L.P

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/19/2010

Title: To Lala

You can't vote out the PLP ok. Many Bahamians are strong PLPs and that reflected in the Elizabeth Bye-Election. With the number of votes so close, that speaks alot. That means that the Bahamas will never become an FNM country. There are still people out there who strongly believe in the policies of the PLP as well as the FNM and only God from Heaven could change their mind. NO matter what you do or say, they will remain PLPs until they die and the same applies for FNM. Lets not be bias here. The PLP is not some mean hearted bunch of people. I just can't understand, no matter how much I try, why FNMs HATE PLPs so much??? I just don't get it. We have our reasons why we vote PLP n yal have yal reasons why yal vote FNM so my advice is stop trying to bring the PLP down (cause it'll NEVER happen) and respect our decision. Voting PLP doesn't make me any less of a Bahamian. I am not stupid and I have sense. The FNM are not a Perfect bunch of people, and many of us can attest to that. So stop acting like the FNM is sooo perfect and brace yourself for election 2012 cause this time, we voting yal out! PLP fa life..no matter what you do or say about us!
Ps. Not only you put your TV on mute, we put our TV on Mute also when yal PM is talking or anyone from that party..so whats your point?
It was clearly stated that 1499 white ballots were cast for Ryan Pinder and 5 yellow ones were also. In case any of you don't know what a yellow ballot is...that means the voters were not on the register..which could have been a mistake by the Parliamentary Commissioner and so therefore the LAW states that their votes has to be resolved in the court. So even if Pinder did win the most white ballots, with the 5 yellow ballots cast for him, they still would have to take it to court to get the official count. So relax and ease up off the PLP. If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!

Posted By: Elizabethan On: 2/19/2010

Title: I'm with Lala

Yes, I agree completely. We should just get rid of them for once and for all! I know Mr. Ingraham and the FNM are not perfect but, they are unquestionably better than PLP; even (especially) in the worst of times.

Posted By: R. Knowles On: 2/19/2010

Title: ELIZABETH by ELECTION

The PLP can't take their losses,also they are complaining about Tommy Turnquest being in the room where the ballots were being recounted, II am sure if the shoe was on the other foot, that is if they were in power they would have had all their Ministers there, and why was Mr. Christie there? Mr. Ingraham was no where around. he has nothing to be afraid of he knew his Lawyers were taking care of everything. Let the PLP's waste their money talking about election court. good luck.

Posted By: Lala On: 2/19/2010

Title: Bahamians please help me!

My fellow Bahamians, I need your assistance. Should the Lord delay his coming, when the next general elction is called - I believe in 2012, could we just vote out the PLP party entirely? Maybe then and only then will Perry get the message loud and clear and then I would not have to be forced to put my TV on mute or turn my radio down when I hear any of them on it. I need you all to be on board, all for one and one for all. Thank you!

Posted By: keep the PLP OUT !OUT and Stay OUT! On: 2/19/2010

Title: Thanks Tribune for Doin this Forum!!

Thanks Tribune for givin us our voices again!!!!!

Posted By: Proud Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: GREAT JOB TRIBUNE!

No wonder you are the No. 1 "news" outlet in the Bahamas!
Too bad the PLP cannot accept the People's Court and have to resort to the Election Court. But, there again, the PLP have NEVER cared about the people of the Bahamas, it has only used them.

Posted By: keep the PLP out!OUT and Stay OUT! On: 2/19/2010

Title: The Great Debate Was a Joke!

The situation right now in Elizabeth shows that Jones and his" great debate" was a waste of time and Dr. Sands was correct in not showing up, because to be on top and unofficially the winner in Elizabeth after that "greate comedy show",staring Mr Rodney Moncur, is and indication that people are not buying into the PLP stunts anymore!!!

Posted By: keep the PLP out!OUT and Stay OUT! On: 2/19/2010

Title: PLP Modus operandi

For the PLP to bring another election court battle in to what appears to be the will of the people is just and indication of what they are and have been all along.
Their motive is to bring confusion and chaos in to the process and I have notice this from the 2007 elections when they were defeated.
So like Sands said " BRING IT ON " bring on your election court and your chaos to Governing it wont work.

Posted By: Curiousity On: 2/19/2010

Title: PLP paying bills?

So I am curious...PLP has serious cash flow issues and cannot repay their debts to ZNS and others, have they even cleared their debt for the challenges of the 2007 election? How much money are they going to spend on this round of challenges? Pretty soon the PLP's debts will be about as high as the national debt.

Posted By: Bahamas Unite On: 2/19/2010

Title: Democracy

there are a lot of faults in our electoral process as seen by the high number of changes in this recount, but we should allow democracy to continue, there are 5 protest votes which could be valid votes. We should wait on those results before we judge this situation. Let everyones vote count. They already took away a vote marked X with ink instead of pencil. That poor persons vote was not good enough to let stand? I am looking forward to seeing what the story is with the 5 protest votes, I think a judge must make a decision on the 5 votes within 10 days (I stand to be corrected).

Posted By: Entertained_Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: @tribune editors

Thanks for the information and entertainment. It's been great. One request, is it possible for posts to update in ascending order (oldest posts first)? Or to add the time with the date? It would make for easier reading. Keep up the good work.

Posted By: Alex On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Tribune Reporters: Cost of the recount

Is there anyway to find out what the overall cost(financial, manpower,etc.) of the recount process to the country? Also what will be the cost to the Constituency of Elizabeth if the PLP decides to proceed with election court? If I understand correctly there is a possibility that they can now be without representation in the House of Assembly until the next general election. Maybe you can do an interview with the political analyst to obtain this information.
This is a sad moment in our country. I have made reference in the past to Dr. Myles Munroe as it relates to an article in the Tribune that addressed leadership qualities and why it is so difficult for persons in our nation to relinquish positions of leadership even they have long since become ineffective. This is a prime example of hording onto a leadership position even at the detriment of the entire party. This is the pride that always come before the fall that the bible talks about. Let us accept the defeat with responsibility, dignity, poise and humility like REDS said. Let the constituency of Elizabeth move forward so that work can be done and they can determine whether Dr. Duane Sands will be a leader that will enhance their home or whether he will be removed in the general election. The people have spoken.

Posted By: Patrice Smith On: 2/19/2010

Title: Agree with 'frustrated with party'

This is only a bi-election, I mean come on to waste party funds on an election that don't/won't change the political landscape is senseless to me. Common sense ain't common ALL the time and in this instance those that tink they gat better sense WRONG.

Posted By: Antoinette On: 2/19/2010

Title: PUNCH DRUNK BIRDS

Yinna tink does punch drunk brids still flyin roun perry head tweet tweetin???? Lemme hear how much nanny he go get up in front a da tee weee an talk........ tweetttt tweetttt tweettt

Posted By: Reds On: 2/19/2010

Title: Time to be Serious

I would hope that the leader oh!!!!!!!!! sorry the leaders of the PLP because it seems as if they have an elected leader only and just onyl because the law states that a party should have one leader and one deputy leader.
I have a mutiple choice math problem for you guys...........This question is worth 100% and more.
If a final decision has to be made on behalf of the PLP LEADER, how many leader/leaders make up that one post as leader?
a) 10 or More
b) 20 or More
c) 50 or More
d) 1
e) None of the above
Mr. Christie, please....... please dig deep within yourself and find those qualities that which makes up a true leader and run your party and stop running round your party. Let me help you with some of those qualities: One who knows how to face the sound and accepting defeat with "RESPONSIBILITY" DIGNITY, POISE and HUMILITY be the MAN.
I swear if they go back to election court and waste more of OUR the peoples money I would speak with a loud voice and ask that all join in with this loud voice come 2012. Stop playing these stone age political games with us the people of the Bahamas.

Posted By: Waiting On: 2/19/2010

Title: Who Won

Thanks Tribune for you response. However, I would wait on the Returninig Officer's declaration as the official recount and his notification of an elecetd candidate in due course.
Good job on the post coverage.

Posted By: Charlie Lloyd On: 2/19/2010

Title: Election Court> Stupid!

It would be stupid and petty if the Pee Hell Pee took this case to Election Court, given the scrutiny this recount gave, the costs to them and the country, the fact that the case would conclude just be fore the next General Election - if then, their recent outcomes in Election Court have ALL been failures and it would tie up three judges when crime should be a priority.
But the Pee Hell Pee IS stupid and petty.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Waiting

We are not sure if the Returning Officer officially declared a winner. If he did, it happened inside the building, where the press is not allowed. We do know that the FNM won the official recount, but that they expect the PLP to take it to Election Court.

Posted By: Lizzy Girl On: 2/19/2010

Title: Fed Up

I wish all these ppl wud jus leave, cuz half of them don live in Elizabeth Estates.
No matter who wins no1 should care it to the courts, its just gonna keep the country divided.

Posted By: D S K On: 2/19/2010

Title: makes no sense

one bye election is taking all this time...
tribal wars....political wars...posting wars..
what have we become as a people??
GOOD HEAVENS..IT IS FINALLY OVER
BEST WISHES TO MR SANDS

Posted By: Pookiie On: 2/19/2010

Title: LOL

LOL...I GUESS THE PLP WON!!!..BECAUSE I AM HEARIN ALOT OF PEOPLE BY THE SCHOOL!!...SAY RODNEY MONCUR WON WOW!!!

Posted By: Waiting On: 2/19/2010

Title: Who Won

Tribune: Sorry, I mean Returning Officer. Thanks if you could find out.

Posted By: Larry On: 2/19/2010

Title: ELECTION COURT??

ELECTION COURT?? They can't be serious. I can understand if this was a general election, but their is gong to be another election right in another two years.

Posted By: Waiting On: 2/19/2010

Title: Who Won

Tribune: With the greatest respect, and relying on your reporting information, do youy know if Dr. Sands was declared the winner by the Returning Office?

Posted By: Jesica Robertson, Online Editor On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Waiting

Pookie asked who won. We reported at 12:53am that the recount has been completed and Dr Duane Sands of the FNM emerged with a 2 vote lead over the PLP's Ryan Pinder.

Posted By: Waiting On: 2/19/2010

Title: Who Won

Tribune: Finish the good job and help Pookiie get an answer to the question posted

Posted By: Electioneer On: 2/19/2010

Title: The Best Part

Sorry Frusted, Sammy and FNM guy you are still here too

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: challenging the victory?

if Perry challenge they just waistin the government time and money, in these times...we won

Posted By: Still Here On: 2/19/2010

Title: Election Results

Seems like me you and Pookiie are the only ones left. Tell us more. Is the PlP making an application to the Returning Officer not to declare an elected candidate until the election court determines the validity of the protest votes or is it a petition to contest the election.

Posted By: Frustrated with my Party On: 2/19/2010

Title: No The PLP cannot be Going to Election Court!!!!

This is one time I would call my party foolish if they decided to pursue this bye-election in court. We fought a good fight.......we lost....let's get backto being a nation of Bahamians and not warring political parties. There is a difference between fighting for what is right and beating a dead horse.................Christie and Pinder THIS HORSE DEAD!!! Give it a proper burial and lets get back to preparing planing for 2012!!!

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title:

Pookiie what do you mean who won? - Rodney Moncur!!

Posted By: FNM GUY On: 2/19/2010

Title:

THE FNM WON

Posted By: Pookiie On: 2/19/2010

Title: yyc

whu win fnm or plp?!

Posted By: Larry On: 2/19/2010

Title: RE: Monique

OK, my last attempt at that. Please copy and paste the following link below into your address bar, and you will see the definition of gossip does not depend on the validity or lack thereof the information being spread. So basically you are a gossiper, and there ain't nutting wrong with that, I just helping you to know yourself better.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gossip

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Monique

Sleep well. xo

Posted By: Monique On: 2/19/2010

Title: Goodnite or Good Morning!!

Anyway all, some of us do have things to do in the morning, I bid you all goodnight. Tyler this was fun!!! Larry, take an aspirin before you go to bed okay darlin. lololol!! Don't go to bed angry, say ya prayers now!! Bahamas, whoever wins the dern election, just respect that individual.

Posted By: Madea/Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Girrrrrlllllll

You need to quit while you are ahead.

Posted By: Monique On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Larry

But yet here you are responding again anyway. Lawdd, I weak. lol!!! This is fun. Called me out?? I beg to differ. Actually, if you are gonna quote me, quote me right. I did mention GOSSIPING, i sure did, but if you were paying attention before your ANGRY little fingers started typing you would realize that I was mainly talking about there being any TRUTH to all the claims concerning this man. Darling I am definitely NOT a Mother Theresa type, nor have I claimed to be, nor do I hate Dr. Sands. I've said what I said and I have no more to say on that subject. Why are we still here?? This is getting boring. You're starting to bore me now Lar. I cannot change your views of me and it doesn't matter what you say about me because what you say doesn't define my character. It has absolutely no bearing on my life. It doesn't affect me in no shape or form. So you my friend, need to have a coke and a smile and try not to pop a vein. LOLOLOL!!!!

Posted By: Madea/Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Larry

You are being holier than thou. I love you but seriously. Give the girl a break. :) Keep this fire burnin' - in my soul!

Posted By: I love it! Finally! It's hot it here! On: 2/19/2010

Title: My beloved Bahamas

Lift up your head to the rising Sun! Bahamaland!

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Monique

Girl...it's allright. I's Madea. You know I ain't right. I been to Jail. Ok?

Posted By: Larry On: 2/19/2010

Title: RE: Monique

Actually, it took me so long to reply because I have better things to do, than sit around watching for when someone responds to something I said on a discussion board.
Noticed, I never said what you said was not true, I called you out maam on your hypocrisy, principally in one of your post, about you being offended and dismayed about others on here spreading gossip and then you went right ahead and spread some more gossip.
All you had to do the first time, was just spread the gossip, and hadn't prefaced it with some 'holier than thou' comments about you being opposed to gossip, and I wouldn't have even responded to you in the first place. No need to 'save face' this a internet forum, for goodness to sake. You low down and dirty just like the rest of us, except you don't like Dr. Sands. That's OK with me, I couldn't care less. Just don't play like you is some Mother Theresa.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Monique

Thank you for your gracious response. Please don't think we are suggesting that you or any other commentator whom we have had to censor is wrong in what they say. Its only that we do not have the information at our disposal to prove that it is true.

Posted By: Monique On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Paco

Paco, I understand you guys are doing your job and I respect that. If that what was your view or my post, then you did what you have to do. I respect your professionalism in that aspect. Hell I probably would have done the same had I been in your seat. I do still appreciate you guys giving us the freedom to express our views.

Posted By: Monique On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Tyler Perry /Madea

Tyler, yea sorry, i just realized what you were saying. Yeah Mable Simmons had to help me find ma head, lol!!!

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Counter

No, the protest votes will only be considered by Election Court.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Monique

Your comment was taken down because it was libelous, and we are responsible for everything published on this forum. Just to be clear, unproven allegations of wrongdoing against anyone individual will not be allowed on this forum.
Thank you.

Posted By: Monique On: 2/19/2010

Title:

And judging by the time you took to respond, you apparently had to run to your dictionary to make certain, didn't you?? Don't be ashamed, you can tell us. Trying to act all intelligent, when you know better. HA!! Fact of the matter is Larry, it is what it is. It still is the truth, you can twist and turn it all you like. A spade is a spade!!! Looks like i struck a nerve. Frankly I really don't give a rat's behind. I still stand behind what I say, seems to have you seeing RED!!!!! LOLOLOL!!!! Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Posted By: Counter On: 2/19/2010

Title: Protest Votes

Are the protest votes (if any) already counted in the votes cast for the candidate/s?

Posted By: Lex On: 2/19/2010

Title: The "Re-count"

Oh, God! "Tyler Perry" and the rest of ya'll good folks, I love the cast of characters for the "Re-count Play"! But, I just thought remembered the "supporters dem" who camped out by that school. We will have to add couple scenes for them. Now, who ya'll will get to play "Laura"? ROTFL!

Posted By: DS this is Madea up in here On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Monique

Girl! Have you lost your mind? Yes. I believe that you have. You need to look for that mind right quick cause I know where my mind is. Ok?

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Girl you is too late

To realize you don't even know what you are talkin' about. Ok? Read Tyler Perry's posts and then yours. You don't make no sense. Madea gwon come up in here in about 2 seconds you don't check yourself.

Posted By: Larry On: 2/19/2010

Title: RE: Monique

You apparently don't know what the definition of gossip is.
Even if what you say is true, you are still engaging in gossip, which doesn't depend on the validity or lack thereof of the information being spread, the same thing, in which you decried.
Makes too much sense? I think so
So don't hurt ya head too much. Whilst you at it, ask Valentine Grimes, if he have any ballots left over from 2007, so you could use the backside of one to write down the definition of the words, 'gossip', 'ironic', 'hypocrite' on.

Posted By: Monique On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Tyler Perry

You're funny. Call me what you like, just don't call me too late. Fact of the matter is the truth hurts!!!

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Monique...not the actress playing Laura

Girl. You got crazy. Other people got tossed today also. You ain't alone.

Posted By: Regular Voter On: 2/19/2010

Title: Box #12

Any word yet?

Posted By: Monique On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Larry

Larry it seems as though your "Saviour" has been outed, hence why they took my post off so fast. However, your accusations of gossip of my knowledge of the FACTS does not change what it is FACTS!!! Like I said he himself cannot dispute it, so it matters not what you or anyone else thinks or says. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Casting Update

Pleasant Bridgewater: Angela Basset is being considered for the role. Alfre Woodard and Cecily Tyson are lobbying for the role. Ceciley has an in. we will let you know.

Posted By: Larry On: 2/19/2010

Title: RE: Monique

But Monique
You talk negatively about spreading gossip.
But then you go right ahead and spread some more gossip.
Not that I mind spreading of gossip, but don't preface your comments, with some 'holier than thou' comments about being offended by the spreading of gossip, and then you go right ahead and do the same.
Come on, come up with a better argument or a at least a better lie.

Posted By: Larry On: 2/19/2010

Title: LOL

When I read the post about Jabba the Hutt being cast as Bradley Roberts, I almost killed myself laughing. LOL

Posted By: Abby On: 2/19/2010

Title: protested votes

It is my understanding that challenged votes are counted because challenged voters are on the register. Usually an agent challenges the vote because they(agent) believe the voter is not eligible to vote..however because their name is on the register they must be given a regular ballot and they swear an oath before voting. Protest voters are not on the register and if they insist on voting because they have a card, etc they do so on a colored (yellow) ballot and those ballots are only counted if election court is involved. If this is the case (and I stand to be corrected) then challenged votes were already counted and protest (on yellow ballot) votes can only be counted if taken to court!

Posted By: Fire - I will be your everything and I will keep this fire burning On: 2/19/2010

Title: Keep this fire burnin.....

Baby....I will keep this fire burnin.....I will be your for real.

Posted By: I love it! Finally! It's hot it here! On: 2/19/2010

Title: We in election court right now people

This one ain't going to election court. We in IT.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/19/2010

Title:

The protested votes are actually not counted in the regular course of the election, but will be considered by the court if the matter goes before a judge. Having said that, we understand that when they finish counting Polling Division 12, the legal teams will take a look at the protested vote, presumably to see if they can come to an agreement.

Posted By: 5 protested votes On: 2/19/2010

Title: protested votes

Voices bahamian, I think the Protested vote procedure occurs by default, different than Election Court. Not sure, but I guess we will find out soon.

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Breaking News

New movie title "Elizabeth Election"

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ 5 protest votes..

My fellow Bahamian, there is a result being announced tonight..What you just witnessed was election court...

Posted By: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On: 2/19/2010

Title: COUNT IT AGAIN

IS ALISON MAYNARD COUNTING THESE BALLOTS?
WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG

Posted By: Protested Votes On: 2/19/2010

Title: 5 protest votes

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think it will be over tonight if the PLP is within 5 votes as there are 5 PLP votes that the FNM protested. These votes have to go before a judge and the winner will then be decided. right? I think its important to be aware the protested votes are very important and may very well be valid votes.

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Jabba the Hut

Point taken. Just tell that to Forest Whitaker. He carryin' on bad! And, Jabba the Hut is Officially playing Big Bad Brad. Period. Contract signed.

Posted By: Got to love Ignorance On: 2/19/2010

Title: Jabba's English

Most Bahamian's cannot speak proper English, or write, or spell it, so Jabba is in.
God I love this country.
*sigh*

Posted By: candy On: 2/19/2010

Title: to all PLP

to all PLP all bathroom door are open FNM gave the PLP space they comin

Posted By: waiting anxiously in the US On: 2/19/2010

Title: this is crazy

why is it taking almost 72hrs to count 3000 votes...please accept your defeat with pride plp's and just accept the things u cannot change...im in the US waiting to celebrate with my FNM family back home

Posted By: RUN BABY BAY On: 2/19/2010

Title: GETTING BETTER ALL THE TIME

I LIVE IN THE USA AND I CAN TELL YOU THE TRIBUNE RANKS UP THERE WITH,
THE WASHINGTON POST, NY TIMES, DRUDGE, HUFFINGTON POST, POLITICO AND MSNBC.
THIS IS UNBEWEAVEABLE.. lol
GOOD JOB

Posted By: B Jones On: 2/19/2010

Title: Finally!

Only one more ballot box to go!

Posted By: RUN BABY RUN On: 2/19/2010

Title: RUN BABY RUN

THIS IS THE BEST BLOG EVER

Posted By: Brent Burrows On: 2/19/2010

Title: Recount

Tribune 242 online coverage has blown the competition out of the water. Congratulations on a superb job and keep up the good work.

Posted By: Forrest Whitaker On: 2/19/2010

Title: Jabba the Hut cannot properly play Big Bad Brad

He does not speak English. This ain't right.

Posted By: Read the tribune posts On: 2/19/2010

Title: Polling Div 10 finished

They are on Polling Div. 11. Dr. Sands by 2.

Posted By: Anxious On: 2/19/2010

Title: Box 11

Whats happening with the recount

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Big Bad Brad Casting Change confirmed

Breaking News: Forrest Whitaker is out. He is very upset about this but Jabba the Hut is in. Please make a note of it in your scripts. Thank you too much.

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Sammy T

Forrest Whitaker...but frankly, we never even considered Jabba the Hutt. So, we have put Forrest Whitaker on hold and are check Jabba's availability - Thank you - too much.

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ too much

HAAAA hahahaha perfect!

Posted By: Larry On: 2/19/2010

Title: WHAT???

Valentine Grimes??? Are you serious?
Isn't this the individual who was caught, in the very least, should I say 'questionable' circumstances in regards to ballots in 2007, and he is around a recount??
Only in the Bahamas, could such things happen, Only here.

Posted By: too much On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Sammy

Wonder if Jabba the Hutt is available....

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title:

Ok well who will play Big Bad Brad??

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Big Momma

We did consider it, but we have a budget and security concerns. Monique will do the job but not get out of hand. We can't insure Laura. We were shut down. Ya see?

Posted By: Crazy Lizzie On: 2/19/2010

Title: Neva scared!

Papa say we never scared!
Dem pee ell peas dont scare us Efff ennn emmms!

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Lurker

Boi! Eddie Murphey as Rodney Moncur? That is tooooooo die for! Rodney would love it! Mr. Moncure can, of course, advise the script writers and supervisors.

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/19/2010

Title: Laura?

I tink we need Laura to play her part herself. Nobody can play the fool like her!!

Posted By: Lurker On: 2/19/2010

Title: Oscar worthy!

LOL!!
Elizabeth would make a great drama/soap oprah
all i want is darold in the mix as himself along with Rodney Moncur as himself and its sure to be great

Posted By: Ha! ha! On: 2/19/2010

Title: Bah! ha! ha!

Ha! ha! Ha! ha! Ha! ha! Ha! ha! Ha! ha! Ha! ha! Ha! ha! Ha! ha! Ha! ha!

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: Tyler Perry

Laura - monique (from Welcome home rosco jenkins)

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Elizabeth By-Election the Movie

Lurker - you so right. Work in progress.
Brent Symonette - Sean Connery
"Laura" - Monique

Posted By: Lurker On: 2/19/2010

Title: what about brent

well Brent een in the movie eh?

Posted By: curious On: 2/19/2010

Title: FNM Lawyers

yes it did cross my mind that they might not be able to find out.
i can still ask the question.

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Curious

You said: "Tribune, what FNM Lawyers are in there?
let me guess, its the perfect amount of lawyers with the no conflict of interest going on? please."
I took that as a sarcastic dig at the trib. If it wasn't, my bad. I apologize for putting words in your mouth. Did you ever think that maybe the trib doesn't have a way of finding out which FNM lawyers are in the room? From what I understand, the press is not allowed in.

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: the scoop

Tonight the PLP witnessed the fact that Marvin and his son Ryan has no respect for them.. For the last many hours the case for votes for Ryan Pinder was presented by the usual PLP lawyers, Brave, Grimes, Peet, etc.. but Marvin and his son were loosing hope in the PLP team so they brought in the team of Damian Gomez and Wayne Monroe.. to prsent a case for a ballot in poll # 9.. This shocked the PLP team who was asked to leave the re-count.. worst the PLP nor the PLP leader had no knowledge of this.. Both Gomez and Monroe made their case.. and the FNM Desmond Bennister counter and the FNM was able to presnt the best argusement. Thus Ryan lost that vote

Posted By: curious On: 2/19/2010

Title: FNM Lawyers

You are putting words in my mouth. I never brought the tribune into this, I just asked a question. You are taking this to another level. Tribune didn' t report the number of FNM lawyers, thats their perogative, but I am still entitled to ask the question.

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: @Good Laugh

You are so right:
Valentine Grimes: Wesley Snipes

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title:

And what about this earlier today: "4:51pm. We have the inside scoop. Literally. Inside the recount room, the PLP has Wayne Munroe, Brave Davis, Damian Gomez and Valentine Grimes. The FNM has Desmond Bannister, Cathy Hassan, Carl Bethel and Dion Foulkes. Both sides are desperately fighting to make sure their candidate comes out ahead. Each side has another 10 lawyers waiting outside to tag in if necessary."
Ten outside each - thats fair, right?

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Curious

Sorry, I didn't mean it literally or personally. I just don't understand you guys. Earlier today, where The Tribune was reporting the PLP's concerns about Tommy Turnquest in a conflict of interest, I didn't hear you guys praising the Tribune. But now they make a point about the PLP lawyers and they are atomatically biased. This morning reporters were being accused of being friendly with your candidate Ryan Pinder, now they are skewing the facts for the FNM? I don't get it. As far as I can see The Tribune has been fair and balanced throughout this process and this leads me to believe that maybe the PLP has stuffed the room with lawyers. You read what Rodney Moncur said, right?

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/19/2010

Title: Call Picewell!!

Well ya know Walentine es de star cause he gat de most dangerous mind. I still tink he gat some ballots somewhere in he clothes for Poling Division#12. Dey wan pull midnight so dey cud do some dirt when erryone eyes red and closing down. When de US sendin dem Army people man? I tink we need de Commission of Inquiry here again. Ya know who I wish was in dat room tanight?? PICEWELL SOCA FORBES!!!!!! We wud know just wat goin on in dere before dey know deysef. Who know HomeTowm Boy numba man? I need ta know who win. I here dey take away all he phones do!!!! He, he

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/19/2010

Title: Thanks Voices

Cammy and I are working on the script right now...Lord Nassau - We can do bad all by ourselves!

Posted By: curious On: 2/19/2010

Title: FNM Lawyers

dont call me retarded. its a valid point/question/concern.

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/19/2010

Title: Tyler Perry

Rodney Moncur- Eddie Murphy ( coming to america)
Bradley Roberts- Forrest Whitiker( from street kings

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/19/2010

Title: @ Curious

Maaaan, you PLP supporters so retarded! Right now you have no idea who is in that room and who ain't. How do you know the FNM don't have the 'perfect amount of lawyers' in the room? Are you in the room? Of course not, but you just know they must be cheatin... just cuz you know. Typical foolishness.

Posted By: Elizabeth By-Election - The Movie On: 2/19/2010

Title: Initial Casting

Antagonists:
RHHI - Morgan Freeman
Carl Bethel - Vin Diesel
Tommy Turnquest - Denzel Washington
Dr. Duane Sands - Will Smith
Protagonists:
Perry Christie - Richard Pryor
Bradley Roberts - Forrest Whitaker
Bernard Nottage: Don Cheadle
Ryan Pinder: Chris Farley
Support Characters (also can get an Academy Award):
Rodney Mocur - Eddie Murphy
Andre Rollins - Dave Chappelle
Cassius Stewart - Martin Lawrence

Posted By: Tyler Perry On: 2/18/2010

Title: Cammy Le Flage

A play! Great idea! OMG - we could put in on! I Like it! Hmmm...who are the key players - and who will play them?

Posted By: Curious On: 2/18/2010

Title: FNM Lawyers

Tribune, what FNM Lawyers are in there?
let me guess, its the perfect amount of lawyers with the no conflict of interest going on? please.

Posted By: The Island On: 2/18/2010

Title: Bahamian Politics

Copy and paste in your address line and lets talk some Bahamian Politics:
http://everydayisland.blogspot.com/

Posted By: Lex On: 2/18/2010

Title: What else, Lord?!

Please, please somebody out there. Please write a play about this fiasco. My mind is just bubbling over with the potential jokes that could be made of what is going on in the recount room. In fact, Mr. Stan Burnside, please draw a cartoon of what is going on in there. I could just see it now, 25 lawyers on one side for the F.N.M. and 50 on the other side for the P.L.P. and they all are puffed up with legal words spouting out of every orifice of their body, while poor Mr. Jack Thompson is in the middle trying to hid under the desk from them. LOL!

Posted By: cammy le flage On: 2/18/2010

Title: Its Getting Hot in Here!

Hot

Posted By: Alex On: 2/18/2010

Title: Thanks Paco Nunez

Thanks for the correction I want to make sure the information stays correct. I am still disappointed with their behavior.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Reporter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Truth

Dr Duane Sands just confirmed to us that neither of the lawyers you mentioned are in the recount room for Cassius Stuart. We have not heard from Rodney Moncur as to whether any of the parties have taken up his offer.

Posted By: lizzie On: 2/18/2010

Title: Election Court Happening Right Now

I am so serious. They know it too.

Posted By: Realist On: 2/18/2010

Title: Hocus Pocus

At this point 2 days later anything is possible. It is scray that 3,000 votes are taking 48 hours. If my math is correct and it takes 50 hours that would represent 1 vote per minute! Yikze.
We have already learned what we already knew. The country is divided and not satisified with either party. Maybe we should follow the US (we do with everything else) and get some young blood holding the reigns for 2012. Ingraham and Perry its "time for a change."

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Alex

Actually it was Bradley Roberts, and not Dr Nottage who gave Laura's version of events.

Posted By: Caroline Johnson On: 2/18/2010

Title: Bahamian in Tucson

Kudos to the Tribune for the great reporting! Even those of us many miles away I am laughing as if I am in my sisters front room in Black Village! What a jokster """that Rodney Moncur" he has not changed always with the big talk.
Now to realistic matters, this election needs to be a do over/ just a run off between PLP/FNM as they were the majority vote getters . The people spoke clearly!!! Please don't let this go to Election Court. Can the country afford another prolonged trial in this horrible economy? All the big talk should be over, let's move on.
It's time for all those people to go back to work, or home, etc Let's use all this energy to produce and uplift our country.

Posted By: Alex On: 2/18/2010

Title: Disappointed

I have always had the greatest level of respect for Mr Christie......still do but I am very disappointed in his behavior throughout this entire process. The members of the opposition have confirmed by their behavior the extreme desperation that indicates the party is struggling. From a statement made in an interview by Mr. Christiethe night of the bi-election "that he was going to have all the lawyers he could muster up in the recount room" you know that this would be trouble. There is no reason for the process to drag on in this manner. This is a waist of time and government resources and they are calling it a part of th democratic process. But I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. In addition, for Dr. Nottage to out rightly justify the actions of "Laura" is shameful and going to the extent to say that the DPM pushed her first how petty and childish was that response. The PLP is a disgraced party and the reality that they have become a dinosaur is quite evident. New leadership, new vision, persons with integrity and transparency is the only thing that is going to move this country forward.

Posted By: Truth On: 2/18/2010

Title: LIES!!

Shame on your Tribune!! Blatant lies. The lawyers representing Cassius Stuart and Rodney Moncur are FNMs in the person of Toni Lashley (Tommy T's sister) Dian Stewart (Duane's sister) Charles Maynard. Please I was enjoying your blog until you started posting lies, be more responsible.

Posted By: Dis too funny On: 2/18/2010

Title: sell out

Cassius just lost all my ratings selling out his spots to the highest bidder. Shameful. What happened to having the best interest of the Elizabeth people at heart, which was his claim just two days ago. I tell ya. Politicians dey fickle.

Posted By: ivan On: 2/18/2010

Title: coverage

Your up to date posting are very timely and informative, however I am shocked to see in your paper today page 2 that you referred to The Hon. Charles Maynard as the MINISTER OF STATE FOR CULTURE. I'm sure Mr. Clarke or whoever is responsible for printing should know that as of December 1 2009, Mr. Maynard was named the substantive Minister for Youth, Sports and Culture. I will read Fridays Tribune looking for an apology to the now Sr. Minister

Posted By: Proud FNM On: 2/18/2010

Title: Tribune Coverage

I would like to take this opportunity as a Family Islander, to express my sincere Congratulations to the Tribune for the online updates during this recount. We do not have ZNS TV coverage and so this service is so very valuable. Thank you, keep up the good work.

Posted By: cammy le flage On: 2/18/2010

Title: Rodney Moncur

Candidate Moncur just basically endorsed Dr. Duane Sands...LOVE IT! Say the man's entire Christian name and then say, and that American who gave up his citizenship ....Wow.

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/18/2010

Title: Perry

his wife in Atlanta livin it up...he has to deal with all that time on the toilet by his self

Posted By: I's dyin... On: 2/18/2010

Title: Fell out all over

Perry carrin' on bad! Boi! This crazy.

Posted By: Bahamian for better changes On: 2/18/2010

Title: perry

Christie must be delusional! OMG what an embarrassment he is. He refused an interview because DPM is not on his level! What a disrespect..and he calls himself a leader...PLP's should be ashamed to call this man their leader! His wife should just take him straight to the shrink before its too late! Perry could never come up with solutions, always whining and making stupid false statements!

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/18/2010

Title: National Security

if you saw the recounts in 2007, every body and their mommy from the PLP had access to the room, now they are saying the officer getting scared? Dont make me laugh..Perry will need more of that pepto.

Posted By: Fell out all over On: 2/18/2010

Title: I's weak

I dyin'....Moncur and now this Good Laugh! This is truly now a Shakespeare play! I swear.

Posted By: @A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all On: 2/18/2010

Title: Sammy T

Wow. I did not see that post at all. I was "supposedly" trying to work today also (I will freely admit I cannot get off this election...addicting). I was posting those lyrics because I love Bob Marley and I was trying to make sure that Paco Nunez does not think that I am attacking the Tribune. Bob Marley all about peace with revolution. But, clearly, you think you know something. That tells me....everyone wants to know who VB is. I really, really, don't. I wish I did but, frankly, I don't care. His page is funny and entertaining just like this comment board for the past two days. I have to tell you. It is not me. Lawd. I could not do Voices. I work full time. Thanks for bringing to my attention though. I am now flattered. People think I am Voices....that is one to take home.

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Just asking

Both you and Voices Bahamian used lyrics from Babylon System:
Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/18/2010
Title: $$$$$
The ego of Ryan is so big he can come to a country that he never voted in and think he can be an MP, he must think you shines would go for anything. but that aint no kind of joke this guy is a dangerous fella, watch him..They are graduating thieves and murderers

Posted By: Just asking.... On: 2/18/2010

Title: OH MY GOD BECKY

Rodney Moncur is hilarious!

Posted By: Linda On: 2/18/2010

Title: @VB

We ain't fools. I will not accept it. What is up boi? People think they know who you are! When you do reveal one day - they themselves are going to flip! Rock on my brother. Keep on keepin' on. Where is cammy up on this thing?

Posted By: THE TRUTH On: 2/18/2010

Title: rodney

Rodney Moncur, please*! who are u to disqualify Mr. Sands, he is a man of integrity, who are you? Isnt it something that people who call themselves a peoples person, is never seen doing anything in the community. People like Branville Mccartney is a good example of a true leader with humanitarian spirits, that was evidenced before he even became an MP. That is au natural!

Posted By: Just asking.... On: 2/18/2010

Title: I am Just Asking

And, I am not Voices Bahamian. Voices Bahamian is way more than I could ever and will be. Sorry to let you down. I read Voices though. I don't really know about the lyrics thingy....I posted Babylon System lyrics. Who else used that? Please direct.

Posted By: D.W. On: 2/18/2010

Title: How low can you go!

I really wasn't going to comment on this...but you mean the PLP want get more lawyers in the room by trying to represent Rodney Moncur...come on man...but what should I expect from them....

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Voices Bahamian

Hey Voices Bahamian - dey ein only graduatin lawyers and teifs, they gat a lot a dem PLP liers (lawyers) an teifs right dere in de school down in Elizabeth right naw. I hope dey send out pleny prayers for dere Thelma Gibson afta dem PLP teifs an liers get outta dere. Boy, if we lock dat PLP crew up right naw down at dat school, dis country could be betta. whatcall say? Tink we shud have dem lock up after dey den COUNT IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! He, he

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/18/2010

Title: recount

Hey Linda, how you doin? Ryan Pinder really played us all for fools

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title:

Moncur is hilarious Dr. Sands and that American lol

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/18/2010

Title: YOU GET CATCH!!

Voices Bahamian has been EXPOSED!!! Admit that you are the same person who was attacking that tribune reporter earlier under the name "Just asking". I too am a fan of Bob. Just a tip: if you are gonna pretend to be two different people, don't use lyrics from the same song in posts under different names. Sucka!

Posted By: linda On: 2/18/2010

Title: I know who Voices is

People that don't know? That is their problem. He done let so many clues out but most people follow the obvious, which with Voices, you cannot ever do.

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

Ryan Pinder's renunciation of citizenship is still not proven anywhere by anyone - including him.

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/18/2010

Title: Right here

Thats whats killing yawl, I right here..I guess I hiding in plain sight

Posted By: Stop Hiding On: 2/18/2010

Title: Voices Bahamian go back to facebook

Voices reveal yourself. you have very strong opinions, yet you hide behind the name Voices Bahamian.

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Sade

I agree with you 100% it is what Ryan Pinder holding now. I am sorry I meant Dr. Sands

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/18/2010

Title: $$$$$

The ego of Ryan is so big he can come to a country that he never voted in and think he can be an MP, he must think you shines would go for anything. but that aint no kind of joke this guy is a dangerous fella, watch him..They are graduating thieves and murderers

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Big Momma

I disagree with you about the voting thing because he was overseas for over a decade. But the rolling out of bed thing You could be right about that. The rolling out of bed thing. Even thought i think we would be a better place if more people would just roll out of bed one morning and say I want to be involved in politics. You don't have to be a superwoman just a hard worker.
Lol we would be a lot better of if we had more hard workers. It's your Bahamian right. If the people don't want like you they will say it with the votes but you should be able to just roll over and try. That's like saying I am not going to start playing basketball until I learn how to dunk otherwise. He saw the game and decided he didn't want to be in the stands and wanted to play. All 5 of the candidates / 5 and 1/2 of the candidates did. That is a good thing.

Posted By: Televise the recount On: 2/18/2010

Title: Televise the Recount

Televise the recount. I want to watch the arguments and see every ballot! ZNS - PLP owe you money but help us here!

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Voices Bahamian

Boi! You should have been here all day! That is what I am talking about - Dr. Sands can help lizzie. They gonna get satellite clincs and Ryan talkin about an internet connection. What the clinic gonna do when Batelco go down. Boi is talkin' ca ca. He don't even know what he don't know!

Posted By: Want to see Ballots On: 2/18/2010

Title: SMUDGED?

Wouldn't it be great if the public could view these ballots? I heard the smudge that dr. sands referred to was some sort of a cross in ink (versus the required pencil). The other ballots that were thrown out were thumb prints, but the most recent one might have actually been an ink marked x. Does it worry you that democracy might not being served in there and the government is controling the process?

Posted By: tired On: 2/18/2010

Title: plp people

Bradley Roberts does not surprise me...he is a PLP, its a PLP way. They have such nerves...Bradley needs to be reminded about his criminal case, in which he walked a free man. He knows the circumstances...lest we forget! The audacity of these people is beyond me! They have absolutely no respect... which is displayed in their die hard voters, this miss Law breaker, not Laura, should be charged! He is the DPM of the Bahamas, show respect!

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

It is what Dr. Sands is holding now. His med residency long gone. HIStory as Michael Jackson would say.

Posted By: Frank L.S. On: 2/18/2010

Title: Shame on Laura

I read with total disgust that Mr. Bradley Roberts, who was nowhere to be found, at the time, could defend Ms. Williams' attack on our DPM, by blaming him for attacking her. Fortunately, I had the pleasure of standing next to the DPM, when the incident occurred, and Mr. Roberts needs to check his facts properly before making these spurious statements.
This incident should have never happened, and when things like that happen, we as a people need to show civility and call it what it is, without making it political, despite the circumstance. When we feel more justified in taking political positions, rather than coming in support of these kinds of acts, then we as a people can only hang our heads in shame. Slowly, we are allowing political venum erode the true nature of what makes us Bahamians.
I shudder to think that one day soon, we too, like many other countries in the area, would not be able to have peaceful elections, devoid of this kind of despicable behavior. It's time we look at the bigger picture, and protect the uniqueness of what it means to be a Bahamian and to live in the beautiful Commonwealth of The Bahamas.
The incident, as I saw it, and I think I might have been the only one to see it unfold, was simply that the DPM and Mr. Nottage were coming out of the gate together, and Ms. Williams started heckling him. He turned and attempted to throw his arms around her, while say "let's be claim Laura...". Before his arms could even reach around her, she swung out and slapped him on the upper right chest, say "don't touch me..." The police officers that were at the time, standing withing reach of both the DPM and Ms. Williams, immediately stepped in, while Ms. Williams continued to shout comments at the DPM and other FNM supporters. The DPM then motioned to the officers to let her be, and he moved on. Afterwards, there was a period of shouting back and forth between the two groups i.e. PLP and FNM, which lasted for about 15 minutes, until the officers, in particular, Officer Smith was able to get the supporters of the FNM to a discussing and calm them down.
For Mr. Roberts and/or Ms. Williams to say otherwise is a totally and unequivocal misrepresentation of the facts and it should be condemned. In fact, Mr. Roberts' view should note even be given press.
When these things are allowed to happend and get praise from persons to whom our children look up to, GOD HELP THIS NATION.

Posted By: Voices Bahamian On: 2/18/2010

Title: Lyin Ryan

The Tribune is doing a good job covering this recount but I would have wished to have had tougher questions put to Ryan during the actual run for the seat and really put him to the fire, any how you are doing a good job with this now..This election has become bigger than just Lizzie, we are now dealing with issues like national sovereignty and who has the right to sit in our house of assembly. Just a side note DR Sands wanted a defibrilator for the clinic a machine that saves heart attack victims lives while Ryan wants an internet connection, this alone shows the difference between the two men, believe me its stark. I hope all are taking stock at how desperate Perry and Brad are to have POWER over you again they dont want to WORK FOR YOU they want POWER OVER YOU..

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Sade

You don't do your med residency on a visitor's visa. But anyway you say he is an honest man and you know him so I will respect your opinion and call him a good man.

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

Look, I would have given Ryan his due excepting there was SO MUCH about him that was frankly b.s. I am now an attorney and I have done a lot of work in So.Fla. When I saw that law firm and him doing their business....my ears turned right up. Something is just not right about any of this. Plus, Sidney Cambridge is set for trial in March 2010 in the states. The indictment is on the web and was published by the US Attorney's Office and Eggeletion already pled out as well as the bag man. Both pled guilty. This ain't about Ryan Pinder. This is about Bradley Roberts and Perry Christie tryin' to stay alive and frankly, I think this is their last battle. I actually feel for Ryan Pinder cause he might be considered damaged goods for a lot of people possibly after this one. Ryan Pinder was not ready for this. We all know it.

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

I'm not questioning whether Ryan is a Bahamian or not. He wouldn't have been in this race if he wasn't. Why I crying shame on the man is because he NEVER voted in the Bahamas. He born here is correct so he should have voted here before he got US citizenship and worked over there. Something is definitely wrong with that picture. Doesn't seem to be someone who is really into Bahamian politics but want to be a Bahamian politician. Just rolled out of bed one day and say he wants to run!

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

Holding a current 10 year visitor Visa. Not allowed to work or reside there. Silly rabbits - these tricks are for kids.

Posted By: realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Sade

And don't get me wrong I think the man loves the Bahamas and could be good for Elizabeth. No doubt he is a Bahamian and loves his country. That is not the point I am making. I am just saying there are stuff about these people we don't know. Sands lived in the states for a long time...das all I am saying. Unless you know more ;-) There can be a lot changes in your visas etc over such a long time

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

Expired green card. Anyone with knowledge of US immigration law would know that stat. Expired boi!

Posted By: Still tired of IGNORANCE!! On: 2/18/2010

Title: Rubbish!!!

Have you ever heard so much rubbish? Bradley Roberts claims that in this 'Laura Incident' that the DPM pushed her first!!! LOL...the PLP is full of jokes!!! Why would a person in Brent Symonette's postion push a supporter of the the opposition? Or anyone in general for that matter? Coming from BIG BAD BRAD it was probably just a nother one of his fabrications!!!! The PLP are so, so, so....i don't even know what word to use...maybe USELESS is the correct term!!!

Posted By: lizzie voter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

Ryan Pinder entered this race so he is what we call "Open Bait". There has been nothing unfair about the treatment of him by the press, people, etc. On the contrary, most been rather light on the boy. Frankly, he got some explaining to do....A lot of explaining.

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Sade

Okay you work with the man what is his American status?

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Big Momma

HAHAHA you got me that shuffling was funny. I am not Plp and I have voted for both parties. I actually personally know my FNM rep very very well and actually recognize the good and bad both parties have done at different points in time. I actually have been fortunate because every time I had to vote I actually knew the person I was voting for and could decide if I wanted them to have my vote. I just don't like to see people get picked on unfairly and I felt that people were picking on the Pinder boy unfairly. As somebody mentioned on the message board yesterday do yall people know what status Sands or at least a quarter of these other MP's have in both parties regarding foreign nations? Bottom line Ryan born in Nassau to a Bahamian daddy and if you Born there you Born there. How many of these other mp and candidates have status. Did you notice big momma the person who should be talking the most in this election regarding Ryan status with the states AIN'T Saying Nothing? And don't tell me that is because he is an "Honest" man. Lol

Posted By: Mel Gibson On: 2/18/2010

Title: Bradley Roberts JACKASS

Bradley Roberts is one big JACKASS......... And stupid as hell to believe that the DPM would push someone............. Laura is nothing but a trouble maker always has been. She is a disgrace to the Bahamian people and to the PLP party.

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realistic

There are honest politicians. There are just a lot more dishonest politicians. I worked with Dr. Sands. He is fair and honest. Even the PLP like Dr. Sands. Trust.

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Eric B

A run off probably would have been best. Ironically this may actually be the most accurate vote we ever had in history because they have so many lawyers and eyes in the room. It is pretty good entertainment and though we joke here I hope whoever wins doesn't take the responsibility as a joke or just a feather in their cap. The people of the Bahamas deserve more than what both parties have been giving. They maybe trying but they need to do better.
Sade please tell why you think that man is honest? There is no such thing as an honest politician. There are politicians that are good men and women but everybody lies. However the good may over-weigh the lies they tell sometimes and actually sometimes they need to tell lies. Can't go into an area and say "People you know what, there is little hope for you. All hope is not gone but Jesus Christ it ga be tough to help you people out." "Actually it may be easier for him as a doctor since he should be used to detaching himself and giving a certain amount of bad news. " Buddy I ga do this surgery but you will be dead in 3-4 years"

Posted By: tie breaker On: 2/18/2010

Title: Tie

If there is a tie there will have to be another election in 14 days. If there is another tie, the winner is decided by lot as if he had received an additional vote.

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/18/2010

Title: Working

Realistic, I realize that you are a PLP. Hubert running the affairs of the country so he doesn't have time for this kind of thing. You getting our PM mixed up with the FORMER PM who doing the suffle all day? MY PM have work to do and he does it well. That's why we voted him back in, unlike our Official OPPOSITION leader who only served one measely term. I think that Good Laugh person might be Perry! :-)

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/18/2010

Title: Too Like Dirt!

One thing I DO know about Dr Sands is the he is a Bahamian who voted in the Bahamas and he has no competition from an Imported PLP from Florida. PLPs always looking for dirt. Amazing that they don't have to look any further than right in the mirror to find it. Dr Sands has no dirt, neither does Ryan Pinder (I think) Ryan Pinder is a horrible candidate for Elizabeth or ANY constituency at this time because he never been in one of them booths in the Bahamas to cast his vote. That's something he has to live with and listen to until he cast his first vote. Duane Sands is the Right Man for this job because he knows about working hard and being committed. He loves the Bahamian people and he will look out for their best interest. He can comfortably say that because he lived among the people of the Bahamas and has already served them in other capacities. Serving the Bahamian people wont be something new for him like some people I know. He didn't just wake up one morning and say "Things ain going too good for me in the states, I guess I could go into politics in the Bahamas just like ma pa". You too like dirt, go look right in the PLP for it then.

Posted By: Everyday Island On: 2/18/2010

Title: Blog...check it out and leave your comments

http://everydayisland.blogspot.com/2010/02/elizabeth-circus.html

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Good Laugh

Ingraham das you? Yall notice yall ain hear nuthin bout Hubert when Good Laugh making dem comments? This ain't Metropolis you can't fool u by taking glasses off and putting dem back on. I recognize that accent and cadence anywhere Mr Prime-minister even when you typing.

Posted By: Sandy Sawyer On: 2/18/2010

Title: Great Work

This is the kind of innovative thinking we need a lot more of in this country. Kudos to the Tribune and the team or individual who came up with this idea. Give the reporter(s) who are doing this work a big bonus.

Posted By: Eric B On: 2/18/2010

Title: The Elizabeth Circus

My word is my bond
When asked what proof can he present to show that he renounced his citizenship, Mr. Ryan Pinder, a trained lawyer, said his word is his bond. Well we can all feel comforted by that, I guess. By the way I got some water front property to for sale Mr. Pinder. No, no need for you to see it because my word is my bond just wire me the cash and I will email you the conveyance three days later!
Oh and its ok that you never voted in the Bahamas or never even bother registering to vote. The fact that you decided to come back home...sorry, I mean the company you work for decided to transfer you as a result of wanting to open an office in the Bahamas. We the people deserve better!
Count it again man, count it again
It still amazes me that in the 21 century we are still having recounts for close election results. This process is heavily weighted by lawyers who has a sole interest in making sure there candidate wins and not making sure democracy prevails. Can you imagine a room full of lawyers reviewing each and every ballot! There is not one media house in the room watching over the process to make sure we the people are not being short changed. Amazing!
A more progressive system in a situation where the results are too close to call is a run-off election where the two candidates who are in a statistical tie get the opportunity to participate in another voting process. This reduces voting error that occurred through miscount and basic voter mistakes.
To have an election decided in the courts or in a room packed with lawyers is not democracy, its giving individual power to a select few which is scary, regressive and just plain dumb!
Trusted head, trusted hands
There is not much that I can say about Mr. Sands. Not because I don’t want to, but because I don’t know anything about him. I know more about Ryan Pinder – the fact that he is a registered Republican and voted for John McCain tell me more about Ryan Pinder than a slogan of “trusted head, trusted hands”. This is a problem when we have candidates running on a party ticket heavily weighted on the personalities of their leaders. The candidates just needs to ride the leaders coat tail, with the hopes that some of the leaders “mystical powers” will translate into a win in his area.
Basic questions like his stands on political reform, the state of the economy and his view on the current affairs at the Port Authority in Freeport should be matters of public record so that we the people can assess whether he is fit and ready to be a candidate. Someday, some day...
What the number 1,700 tells us
The number of person who did not vote in this by-election is estimated to be 1,700 with some 68% voter turnout. One pseudo-political analyst said that number speaks volumes and it means that there is voter apathy for both major political parties.
Thats B.S.! One cannot really deduce much from these numbers because the register is so tainted. Because the register being used today was around since 2007 there is obvious shifts that occurred. Person would have died, moved out or were on the register for Elizabeth that should have been on the register for another constituency, but did not bother to change during the time in question.
The one thing we can conclude with some degree of accuracy is that the FNM made up some ground from there last attempt. However, until we have dedicated professional statisticians who are in a position of constantly review information and generating reports based on this accurate and up-to-date information we will continue to have these pseudo-political analysts looking at toxic data and producing toxic information.

Posted By: haitian in bahamas On: 2/18/2010

Title:

A win is a win !!! Why they still recounting the votes after two days ????????????? The F.N.M. already won sorry P.L.P's get over it.

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title:

Please don't try and tell me we don't know anything about Dr. Sands except that he is a doctor and by all appearances a pretty good one.

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Inquiring Mind

That is interesting for someone who people say we don't anything about. They could tell you were all he work, his sister best friend and all. Lol. I love my people. Funny thing is I am sure as a child Ryan has been in Elizabeth at some point in time if his dad rep the area he had to go at least a few times if only to see one of the place where Daddy work etc or carry a snack or something. Why yall don't tell me some stuff about Dr. Sands. Did he ever get out of his car in Elizabeth before this election came about? I am not trying to be mean I just don't know the history and the papers can only do so much. Let the comment section Teach and Preach.
Tell me something about Dr. Sands because really yall already tell me everything about Ryan. What do the people know about Dr. Sands and who his sister/brother wife daddy uncle cat goat best friends is...on he Daddy side. Don't tell me only the good stuff. I want the dirt and the good stuff. Just how some a yinna beat up Ryan an some yinna defend him. Lets take the talk to the good Dr. Sands now. With a name like "Sands" there gotta be some dirt ;-)

Posted By: Hello On: 2/18/2010

Title: Good Man

I like Dr Sands because he's a Bahamian with a HEART (cardiologist) for the Bahamian people. He has helped a lot of people and saved a lot of lives. He is the best candidate for Elizabeth because he is intelligent and has a great leader in the person of Prime Minister Hubert A Ingraham who will ensure that he keeps his promises to the people of Elizabeth.

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Walintine Grimes

Dey gat Walintine Grimes in de room, Boy I wonda how much signed ballots he gat stash down in he PLP logo boxers wit de tree fingas on it? Dis ein no joke. I ein comferatable wit des people in dere man, dey political criminals ya know! Dey gin plead insanity if ya try press charges cuz dey den do dis bafore! Please somebody, check dem people out, make dem take off all dem PLP logo clothes and search em. Dey up to no good I tell ya!! I tink I gatta go out by dat school masef, dis ein sitting well wit me.

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: New thread

Supporters of Dr. Sands....let's start posting about what we like about him!. I like that he is real and honest and really cares about the Bahamas because he really has done a lot for us so far. I could go on.

Posted By: Excited On: 2/18/2010

Title: Excited still

Ain't nothin' being said about the good Dr. because he is so awesome! He got plenty, plenty time for lizzie and can handle this. He is just too good. No comparison under objective circumstances between Ryan Pinder and Dr. Sands. Frankly, PLP perhaps messed themselves up with this one. I think Craig Butler would have caused less scandal and trouble. But, we all know people make mistakes.

Posted By: Inquiring Mind On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Excited - Good Doctor

Excited, i was wondering the same thing. Why is everyone bashing Ryan Pinder and the other Candidates are not being bashed. I was wondering if Mr. Sands would have the time to meet with the constituents between surgeries and other appointments given the amount of things that the media has indicated that he is involved in.

Posted By: Miss B On: 2/18/2010

Title: fanatic

fa·nat·ic
[fuh-nat-ik] –noun
1.
a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics.

Posted By: Excited On: 2/18/2010

Title: Lawd have mercy

I don't think Ryan Pinder was ready for this...It is telling that no one is making fun of the good Dr. I can't wait for the win!

Posted By: a reader On: 2/18/2010

Title: lololol

HAHAHAHAHA lol you people gona kill me lolol
it will start a little somethin like this
" I'd like to thank my fellow REPUBLICANS for voting for me"
"...a vot for me, is a vote for Perry Christy! so you just voted for 2 of the most Mavricky Mavericks arond!! "
"...am i goin to run for 2012.......YOU BETCHA"

Posted By: Wake Up On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Paco Nunez

That's ok. It is on the web and can be easily found by anyone. It was a re-publish by a third party of what someone else wrote and already disseminated in the public forum. No worries.

Posted By: Kele On: 2/18/2010

Title: "Fanatic"

I assure you, I am not a bitter PLP, but I do aspire to an elevated level of thought and admitedly have achieved varying levels of success.
How does one qualify to be a fanatic? Is Perry Christie a PLP-fanatic or Hubert Ingraham an FNM-fanatic? What behaviour does one have to display to get that label? To me, that seems to be a bit difficult to define, unless the relevant person agrees with the characterisation - that was simply my point.
To those that once again see nothing imprudent with Symonette's actions, consider if Perry Christie attempted to calm-down an FNM crowd; I don't think he would be received too well, even though he is a member of the government. The point is, in that environment, you are more of a partisan political figure than a national one. That is all. I guess we can agree to disagree on these points.

Posted By: Honesty On: 2/18/2010

Title: Eyes Open

I hope the FNM have their eyes wide open and watching these people with fast, slick hands because we know the PLP track record.

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: Good Question about Valentive

Good question. I was thinking the same thing.

Posted By: Mable Morley On: 2/18/2010

Title: Question?

Why is Valentine Grimes in the room? Wasn't he the one who was in possession of about 900 or so ballots prior to the last election?

Posted By: Laughin out loud On: 2/18/2010

Title: Saraha Baracuda

Ryan Pinder's acceptance speech "You betcha!"

Posted By: Tina On: 2/18/2010

Title: @My post...

I totally got that wrong... I meant to say LAURA WILLIAMS obviously not fanatic!

Posted By: a reader On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Good Laugh!

LOLOL @good laugh, lmao!! "I'd like to thank my fellow REPUBLICANS"
yall know he vote for mcain and sahara baracuda! lolol he just look like a typical 'dont like demacrats Republican' lololol

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/18/2010

Title: You joking, right?

Kele.... please. Have you ever SEEN Laura?? She would describe herself as a PLP fanatic. The point of journalism is accuracy. If the reporter had NOT described her as a fanatic, but rather as a "stalwart or supporter" as you suggest, it would have given a false impression of the situation. Get real man!!

Posted By: Tina On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Kele

Look up the definition of "fanatic" in the dictionary and you will see the words "fanatic". I can think of no better or more objective term to describe her! I'm sure she would agree and be pleased with the same.

Posted By: Chile please On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Kele

Are you SERIOUS Kele? Sounds like your a bitter PLP condoning disrespect in this country. Yes Mr. Symonette was there as a FNM Party Officer, and not in his formal position of DPM, but it still stands that he is the DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF THE BAHAMAS! Respect due is respect given and Ms. Laura Williams is WRONG for actions. Maybe he touched her because he knew her well enough, or maybe she was saying obscene things beyond the barricades, who knows, the point is is that she SMACKED the DPM for simply telling her to calm down and be quiet. Maybe he realised that this elderly lady was not acting like a "lady" and was man enough to show her the right way. She is a fanatic Kele, as everyone who passes her stall over-the-hill can tell you. Whether it was the DPM of the FNM or the PLP, the fact of the matter is this: any government official who is ASSAULTED by some civilian should be punished. This is why everyone on this site is condemning the woman. And RBPF: If Lauren Williams was a young 20-something year old man with baggy jeans he would've been arrested....I hope you see my point!

Posted By: Kele On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Giggles

I wasn't making claim at her (Ms. Reynolds') bias, but I was questioning her professionalism. It would seem to me, far more professional NOT to use subjective terms when charaterising PLPs or FNMs. Ms. Williams should have been called a "supporter" or "stalwart", all objective lables that to me seem more fair and less judgemental.

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: De Dilly Tree

I ein flying wit no Ryan cuz i cud end up voting in de next US election. An i betcha he ein even vote fa Obama. Boy, ya need ta sit unda one a dem dilly trees a lil longer and listen ta some a de ole folk talk bout de histry of elections in de Bahamas. Funniest ting is, if de boy was ta win Elizabeth, when he pic up de mike ta say someting, first ting he mighta say was "I'd like to thank my fellow REPUBLICANS..... I tink he really wan run in de States but tings ein work out. Das some foolishness eh? He, he

Posted By: Wondering On: 2/18/2010

Title: What happens if vote ends up tied

Anyone know?

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Wake Up

Unfortunately we had to delete your post as it was libelous. Feel free to recast your argument in a form which is not insulting or accusatory, and we will gladly let it stand.
Thanks you,
PN

Posted By: Giggles On: 2/18/2010

Title: Megan Reynolds

So, is she biased towards the FNM because she called Laura a fanatic? Or, is she biased towards the PLP because Ryan's sister is her 'best friend'? Lol... just trying to keep up with the allegations...

Posted By: Trust us - and we ain't wearing red On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Haters

We know him. We KNOW him. Those that are supporting him - do not. Guy allright but not running for MP.

Posted By: LOVE NOT HATE On: 2/18/2010

Title: HATERS

I am in disbelief at all the hate some of you have for Ryan Pinder. Holy Crap. Its overwhelming..you'll met the boy eh? or you just talking what you heard someone else say? Give him a chance..give them both a chance. then judge..My guess is you don't know him from Adam..and all you know is you wear a Red Shirt.

Posted By: Kele On: 2/18/2010

Title: "A PLP fanatic..."

Has anyone questioned why Meagan Reynolds felt it appropriate to call Laura Williams a fanatic? Is this not a subjective term that is better suited for an Opinion piece rather than a report in a national gazette?
Also, I've seen many on varying blogs highly critical of Ms. Williams for her alleged shove of the DPM, accusing her of not properly respecting his office; we would all be sensible though to remember, that Mr. Symonette is NOT at the Thelma Gibson school on government business, but rather as FNM Party Officer. It was therefore HIGHLY imprudent and I would even venture to say inappropriate for Mr. Symonette, as an FNM to attempt to quiet a PLP member. His only domain in that environment is over the FNM members and he should have asked them to quiet down and not a single PLP. If he wanted to get the PLP to calm down then he perhaps should have spoken to Sr. Party Officer asking them to quell the crowd. In that moment, given his political bend, I can understand how Ms. Williams took offense, though I do not condone her behaviour in response.

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: Ryan Pinder Genuinely Trying to Improve the Lives of Bahamians

Oh, come on. Come on Saddened. You drinking the purple kool aid.

Posted By: Saddened On: 2/18/2010

Title: Ms. Trinidad Ave.

Well I am sorry you are insulted by that.
It does not change his intentions and him as a person. The sooner people realize that he is genuinely trying to improve the lives of Bahamians the better, no matter what party you support - you should welcome that with open arms.

Posted By: Some elizabeth voters make me laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Big Momma

Big Momma, i have to agree with you. If i remember correctly, at one point during the campaign, Ryan Pinder did flash the "victory" sign. He met to flash the "crab" sign, but he don't know the difference. Reason being he knows nothing about Bahamian politics.
simply put because he have never voted here. Elizabeth voters be sensible. The man voted 2 times in the US but not once in the Bahamas. Is that someone who you would want to represent you in parliament.

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: the Laura incident

First of all. The description, "the Laura incident" is just awesome. As for the public apology, frankly, Sammy T is right on the money. Bahamas Press printed a little story about the incident supporting such behavior. Some people choose to not be civilized. If she is that way, that is her cross to bear sadly.

Posted By: Still Waiting On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Sharp Shooter

You can use the words foolish and ignorant, yet ask others to participate civilly?
Com' on Sharp Shooter.

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/18/2010

Title:

Erasmus Folly. I agree with you completely, except... have you ever met the individual in question? Public apology – never EVER gonna happen!!

Posted By: Come now everyone, we're all Bahamians On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Sharp Shooter

I’m sure we can all participate in this forum civilly and respect each other’s differences &/or perceived deficiencies if we try without throwing insults about. It’s that kind of arrogant mindset though that’s at the heart of why people like Laura Williams carry on the way they do. Why can't we all just play nicely??

Posted By: Still Waiting On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Sharp Shooter

Mudda sik, I really feeling foolish now....................(sike!)
I'll try one last time in simple terms:
An 'unofficial ' loss IS NOT MOMENTUM going into a General Election, and is NOT what a party wants going into one.

Posted By: Erasmus FOlly On: 2/18/2010

Title: Public Apology

I think the way the DPM handled it was smart. I wouldn't arrest this woman, but I would threaten her with arrest if she doesn't make a public apology to the people of the Bahamas for assaulting their Deputy Prime Minister. That would be far more effective and send a clear message out - yes, the government is compassionate, but the government is the government, so show some decency, class and respect. This isn't North Korea or Iran - that kind of behaviour is totally unwarranted.

Posted By: Ms. Trinidad Ave. On: 2/18/2010

Title: I dissagree with Saddened

Saddened, I dissagree with you strongly. Ryan Pinder should have at least registered in this country even if he hadn't actually voted. He had an opportunity to register when he was astudent at the age of 18 and he could have voted up until the time he took up permenent residence in The United States but he never did. Even if his intentions are genuine. He should not have run in the bi-election, he should have waited until after the next election and voted. Then after doing so it could have then offered himself as a candidate. Think about it! He has never even seen a Bahamian ballot and he has never even been in a voters booth. He knows more about politics and elections in Broward county than he does in the Bahamas. Iam extremly insulted!

Posted By: Francheska On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ good laugh

Thanks for the entertainment all day! Man, I can't wait to see what James Catlyn & Friends make of this all in September!

Posted By: Sharp Shooter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Ms. Smith

You would do yourself a favor by reading the comments posted by "Still Waiting" instead of foolishly rushing in to defend ignorance and inaccuracy. "Still Waiting" is clearly making reference to the constituency. I will assist you and post exactly what "Still Waiting" posted on this site word by word because obviously you didn’t read them and decided to defend their ignorance. Here goes: "The PLP unofficially lost the Elizabeth constituency, a seat they have traditionally "owned"" Now Ms. Smith, do you think they were making reference to the subdivision or the constituency? Ms. Smith, let me suggest that you think (and read for that matter) before you type because will end up joining “Still Waiting” in looking foolish (and ignorant)!

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Update from Fly on Da Wall

NEWSFLASH FROM THE FLY ON DA WALL AT THELMA GIBSON PRIMARY SCHOOL.....Tings tight, all the PLP & FNM reps gat a half empty bottle a whisky in dey pocket. Someone started to count in Spanish - oh no, das French (sorry bout dat) Das one an dem PLPs of course, trying to cause confusion. Whas dat i hear?? You gatta be jokin' Grimes say count Poling Division # 4 again?? Say he saw someone draw a tree finga symbol nex ta da torch and he tink dat shud count for da PLP! I gin updat yall later cuz I lost contac on dat one. he,he

Posted By: Still Waiting On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Sharp Shooter

Good job on the history lesson to us less informed. My comments were actually made based on words from Mr. Perry Christie. Be that as it may, the PLP has won it 60% of the time....according to your figures (which I won't argue); to me, that makes it more PLP than FNM or whatever. The point is: The PLP won the seat in 2007, and they have 'unoficially' lost it. Don't you see that as losing support? How can you be confident going into a General Election after 'unoficially' losing a seat?

Posted By: Saddened On: 2/18/2010

Title: To: Big Momma

They can't be that insulted and hurt when 1500 people voted for him. That is what democracy is for, letting the people decide.
At the end of the day everyone wants this country to get better. The more time and energy you exert in fighting each other, the less gets done and the real issues are forgotten.

Posted By: Renee M. On: 2/18/2010

Title: Sensible Goverment

I applaud the Government for taking down all of the FNM posters etc....after the voting
process. Let the PLP talk foolishness about it's a sign of defeat. We are a well managed
organization, that listens to its LEADER! We are not angry , violent , or out of control.
Just look how they carrying on down by the recount. They should have locked that BIG mouth woman up, But Brent being the humble person he is he did not press charges

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Too Tired

Yeah man, I tired a seeing Perry face all ova des lamposts man. I tink if dey did go any higher on dem poles somebody was gin get electrocuted because PLP playing dem live wires pretty close man, pretty close! Dat woulda been someting eh ? I guess dey woulda say de FNM cause dat cuz dey represent FIRE!!!!!! He, he

Posted By: @A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realstic

So right my brother or sister....so true. I's laughing to myself because I just got a picture in my head of this past christmas at dinner before junkanoo...tee...hee. We are family no matter what side we on - at the end of the day, we are from the greatest little country and I am proud of it. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the room at Thelma Gibson - would be crazy if they put that one on ZNS Live....now that would be transparency!

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/18/2010

Title: Get used to it Saddened

To: Saddened. What you're saying is true ya know. You cannot vote if you are living in the USA - that's obvious. Be honest and think about it for a while. I am happy that the man is back home in the Bahamas, but maybe he should go into another field other than politics for while because it looks bad on him, it really does. You better get used to hearing this because the Bahamian people feel insulted and hurt by SUDDEN interest in BAHAMIAN politics. I hope he votes in the next general election :-)

Posted By: Giggles On: 2/18/2010

Title: "Some PLP's are claiming the removal of the posters is a sign of defeat."

Removing posters is not a sign of defeat, it is a sign of respect for the residents of the neighbourhood to whom Mr. Ingraham made the promise! And that's better than the PLP does at any election. Melanie Griffith never takes her posters down, it makes me so annoyed! At least the PM cares about my environment.

Posted By: Inquiring Mind On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Online Editor & Sharp Shooter

Great job of the Tribune to keep the information up-to-date. The country needs more forums such as this where reputable media houses allow open debate issues concerning the public welfare.
Sharp Shoorter thanks for the history lesson, i did not know that bit of information and it is good food for thought, especially as more and more people keep blogging about how 'dis a PLP seat". While boundary changes may have been conducted, it is the constituency being referenced, not Elizabeth Estates Subdivision.

Posted By: Saddened. On: 2/18/2010

Title: Grow up it is pathetic.

If you are going to write about something make sure you get you FACTS straight - Big Momma and anyone else that keeps up the pathetic argument that Ryan has not voted in the Bahamas.
YOU CAN NOT VOTE WHILST LIVING IN THE US!!!! that is the reason he has not voted here as he was not living here therefore legally not allowed to vote.
I think you are pathetic. A bright, passionate young man wants to help develop this country and the people and all you can do is resort to school boy playground tactics - where do you think that will ever get you?

Posted By: Ms. Smith On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Sharp Shooter

Must your tone be so condescending? Furthermore, I can't help but notice you failed comment on any of the numerous changes in the boundaries of Malcolm Creek/Elizabeth during those Elections. It is possible that "Still Waiting" was referring to the Elizabeth Estates Subdivision and not the entire constituency which has been comprised of differing neighbourhoods at each Election? Your aim seems less than sharp to me.

Posted By: Sharp Shooter On: 2/18/2010

Title: Traditional Ownership

What is really confusing me is post made "Still Waiting" who claim that the PLP "traditionally owned" the Elizabeth seat. Well let me give Mr. or Miss “Still Waiting” a little history lesson which would probably alleviate their ignorance on politics in the Bahamas.
The constituency of Elizabeth which was originally named Malcolm Creek was created prior to the 1987 to accommodate the residents of the 700 homes in the new Elizabeth Estates subdivision that was completed in 1985 and officially opened by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II during her Royal visit later that year. The first two candidates to contest the newly formed Malcolm Creek seat were Mr. Marvin Pinder (Ryan’s Father) and Mr. Kenneth Wallace-Whitfield (Sir Cecil’s son) in the 1987 General Elections where Mr. Pinder defeated Mr. Wallace-Whitfield. In 1992, Sir Lynden Pindling moved Mr. Pinder to the St. John’s Constituency to go up against Mr. Noel Roberts (Former UBP MP) and sent newcomer, attorney Luther McDonald to Malcolm Creek to carry the PLP’s banner who went up against Mr. Lester Turnquest from the FNM. Mr. Pinder initially won the St. John’s contest by 2 votes, but it was overturned 1994 by an election court ruling and Mr. Turnquest defeated Mr. McDonald giving the FNM the Malcolm Creek seat in 1992. The following General Election that took place in 1997 saw Mr. Turnquest hold on to his Malcolm Creek seat for the FNM seat by defeating Mr. Godfrey Eneas of the PLP. The 2002 General Election was when the name of Malcolm Creek was changed to Elizabeth. Mr. Turnquest of the FNM lost to the PLP’s Mr. Malcolm Adderley. In the following General Election, Mr. Adderley retained his Elizabeth seat for the PLP by defeating Ms. Elma Campbell of the FNM.
This history review clearly shows that this seat (Elizabeth) was contested in 5 General Election (87,92,97,02,07) and it was won 3 times by the PLP and 2 times by the FNM. Now correct me if I am wrong, but by applying simple logic and common sense I doubt that the history of General Election results in this constituency would constitute traditional ownership by any party. Therefore it is very misleading and disingenuous for “Still Waiting” to claim that this seat is “traditionally owned” by the PLP or the FNM for that matter; that is if common sense and logic are being applied instead of the mind debilitating partisan political agenda. But then, I guess I shouldn’t forget that some of us are “Still Waiting”

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all

We all family here anyway. The more we realize that the better we are. Of course I mean the part of the family that does talk to each other, not them set who sit over there by deyself at the christmas party. What wrong wit dem? Jokes

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/18/2010

Title: The Bahamians get it though!

Lala, the majority of the PLP voters didn't vote in this by-election because they are absolutely insulted by Mr Ryan Pinder running behind them and telling them about the importance of voting in the Bahamas when HE NEVER VOTED IN THE BAHAMAS HIMSELF!!!!!! Ryan, you think you came back to the Bahamas to a bunch of stupid, black people who would just mark their X next to your name because you representing the PLP. You tell me the importance of voting in the Bahamas and include some examples of when YOU voted here and it made a difference. You need to come again! Bahamians are NOT stupid people regardless of what distorded pictures you may have in your head. We will NOT vote for you because you are a hypocrite to the fullest and that's being nicely put!!! We do have sense and that message was sent loud and clear to YOU on Tuesday. I wonder if Mr Ryan Pinder even knows how to mark an X on a ballot in the Bahamas - Christie better show him before the next general election cause he just might put his vote next to the torch!

Posted By: Tired of the election that won't die On: 2/18/2010

Title: It ain' that hard!

Why do I get the feeling that if we as a people followed instructions properly we wouldnt be in this mess and there would be a clear winner.
PUT THE "X" IN THE EMPTY BOX NEXT TO THE PERSON YOU WANT TO WIN!!!
Honest to God how hard is that?

Posted By: Edward the second On: 2/18/2010

Title: Childhood friend

I don't think my childhood friend should be allowed ant where around those ballots box'es, remember what he tried to do during the last general elections! With the so called "trial ballots" So get loss Mr. grimes

Posted By: Lala On: 2/18/2010

Title: Christie doesn't get it!

I think Perry Christie and the PLP's are still missing the point. Christie said that it is obvious that the country is still divided; it is because of them. We were getting on fine and had put all this election stuff out of our minds, they re-introduced it. Their man decided to resign his post and thus make way for this by-election. What Christie should concern himself with is why the majority of the PLP supporters that voted for them last election didn't bother to vote this time. The sad thing is I don't think they will ever get a clue! If Elizabeth had really gotten it right then Sands would have been voted in by a large majority and this too would be behind us.

Posted By: Still Waiting On: 2/18/2010

Title: a Bahamain First

We'll never know why there was such a high non voter turnout. All we can do is speculate. Do you think nearly 2,000 people will go on record and say why they didn't vote (for whatever reason)? Bahamians traditionally vote along party lines no matter the candidate. This is a fact.

Posted By: A little disappointed is now Just asking....that's all On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Realstic

Very good point. Point taken. I might have been a little harsh. I don't like a lot people in my family also. My apologies to Megan Reynolds and the Tribune for any perceived disrespect. Thanks for the check on me.

Posted By: a Bahamian First On: 2/18/2010

Title: @still waiting

Lets be realistic - the PLP probably shouldnt have won the seat in '07 (Malcolm Adderley was an ABSENT MP) - and I think what Christie tryin to point out again MA 'did the PLP' and perhaps the people would not have voted for a PLP Candidate, especially against such a worthy opponent.
Lets also look at the 'facts' - a lot of the non-voters who are rumoured to have been paid to NOT vote were previous PLP supporters - so again working against the power (ie MONEY) and dirty tactics of the FNM the PLP (with a fairly UNKNOWN candidate) has done WELL!
And hey if nothing else lets celebrate the 'non-landslide' bye-election

Posted By: a Bahamian first! On: 2/18/2010

Title: Turnquest conflict of interest

Firstly, I want to commend the Tribune team for this innovative 'blog style' coverage - as a Bahamian living abroad its nice to get up-to-date news from BOTH sides!
About Tommy Turnquest being in the recount room - surely we must be able to see Mr. Grimes' point - He SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED - this is not just unacceptable but unnecessary - the FNM have a full cadre of lawyers that could do the job.
Lets just be realistic - there aint gonna be a winner declared from the recount unless the protest votes are counted - and either way the decision probably going to be made in court (unless ofcourse the fnm concedes as Hubert Ingraham says they wont take this to court)
Keep up the great work Tribune Bahamas!

Posted By: Still Waiting On: 2/18/2010

Title: What was he thinkin'?

The PLP unofficially lost the Elizabeth constituency, a seat they have traditionally "owned". Yet Mr. Christie tells his supporters that if a General Election was called in the near future, the PLP would win. Am I missing something here? What was he thinkin'? Duhhhh the PLP has lost support NOT gained support!!

Posted By: Still Waiting On: 2/18/2010

Title: Poll Div. # 6

Instructions are to put mark "IN" the box. That vote should not have been counted.

Posted By: EDWARD On: 2/18/2010

Title: LOSERS

THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PLP LOST THE GENERAL ELECTIONS IN THE BEST OF TIMES.SINCE THEN THEY HAVE LOST TWO (2) ELECTION COURT CASES.THEY HAVE ALSO LOST TWO (2) MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT.THEIR TOTAL LOSSES STAND AT FIVE IN ONLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS.SHOULD THEY LOSE THE ELIZABETH SEAT,THAT WOULD PUT THEIR LOSSES TO SIX (6) IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD.IF ONE CAN NOT WIN IN THE BEST OF TIMES AND CAN NOT WIN IN THE WORST OF TIMES,ARE THEY NOT LOSERS?

Posted By: sensible On: 2/18/2010

Title: amazed

i am amazed that bahamians can check the records and see that under the fnm there was way more donein the country period. houses were built, libraries. clinics, unemployment benefits, road paving, straw market being rebuilt, the fresh start programme, scholarships for those that qualified, increase in funds for social services, job opportunities, good governance, even in a recession, steady economy. none of which was done in the last five years the plp were in power if ever under their watch. all i can hear is the cry of the urban renewal which failed since inception. yet plps have the nerve to say the fnm doesn't do anything. they don't want to see the truth. if the plp spit in their face they would still vote plp.

Posted By: Ms. Trinidad Ave. On: 2/18/2010

Title: Mr. Pinder the American

Personally, I find it insulting that a 35 year old man can come and ask me to vote for him when he himself has NEVER voted for anyone in this country. He voted where he felt at hom at Broward County, Florida. His excuse is that he didn't live here so it would have been allegal but I don't buy that cause when he was a student in college he could have still voted or least registered. He didn't even register. Being the child of a politician, he should have been encouraged to vote from the age of 18 but he was obviously Americanized from then. Why all of a sudden he is so interested in Lizzy? Is it power or was he the only person the PLP could find who can fund his campaign.

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all

Once again you can be best friends with someone and not be friends with their siblings. You can be best friends with someone and actually dislike or hate their siblings. Hell I don't like half the people in my family.

Posted By: R. V. Albury On: 2/18/2010

Title: Great Coverage

Tribune, you are doing an excellent job at keeping us all informed, especially those of us that are overseas. Thank you :)
I guess the reason why the re-count is taking so long is because (as I understand it) both parties have legal teams, who would probably challenge a lot of votes and its validity. Truth be told, I don't see any difference in who wins; it won't change the government of the day. Prime Minister Ingraham and Mr. Christie are on their way out in my opinion. I feel sort of bad for the PLP; spending their almost depleted resources for this race.
I still dont understand why people are saying that Ryan Pinder came out of "nowhere." He's been on the Bahamian political scene for a while now; he ran for one of the leadership positions in the PLP at the last convention and has been attending forums to get a feel for things. I didnt know one had to vote in the Bahamas to actually run; it must be some new requirement. Also, someone would have to be crazy or blind to see the problems in our country and not want to do something about it. It's funny how someone Bahamian yet "foreign" could come over and immediately jump into the fray while persons from the very constituency would sit on their hands and not even run for office or help out. We love to sit on our you-know-whats and criticise instead of getting out there on the ground and getting what we want for our constituency. Politics in The Bahamas is nothing more than a hobby, a pastime, and will continue to be like that until the most of the electorate gets involved and interested in the fate of their area, instead of the fate of their old fridge. My 2 cents.

Posted By: @A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Paco Nunez

Knowing versus best friends is the issue. Everyone on the Tribune staff did not have the benefit going to St. Andrews. Knowing....best friends. Thank you for being interested in these points because they are very serious issues - a serious issue no matter who wins. You and I must agree that none of us "know" who Ryan Pinder really is and why he back up in here all of the sudden. Man from nowhere always got a story. And Ryan Pinder's story has yet to be told to the Bahamas. That you and I can agree upon. Please call that law firm. A law firm won't talk to regular people but they will talk to the papers. I bet Miami Herald reporters and Sun Sentinel reporters can give you information to assist. Answers gotta be somewhere and believe you me - we will all try to do our part in help the Tribune with this quest.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all

We are very interested in all the points you raise and have attempted to get to the bottom of some of them already. At the same time, all six prospective candidates came with their own issues, all of which we have been investigating over the past several weeks. In any case I assure you that our coverage of Ryan Pinder has been in no way influenced by any personal bias whatsoever. As for journalists having no connection to the politicians they cover, I went to school with the children or close relatives of Hubert Ingraham, Perry Christie, Bernard Nottage, Franklyn Wilson, Valentine Grimes and Philip Davis. One of my parents has, at different times, worked with Branville McCartney, Tommy Turnquest, Carl Bethel and Allyson Maynard-Gibson. Should I be barred from covering politics on the whole? As "Realistic" said, expecting "zero connection" is impossible in Nassau.

Posted By: NMAJOR1974 On: 2/18/2010

Title: DPM

It is a shame that people see the Deputy Prime Minister of our country get slapped and either laugh or say "das good for him". Put party affiliation aside people and look at the message that is sending. She should not only be locked up for a night she should be charged with assault and jailed for whatever time that deserves. The problem now with crime is nobody respects the police...now we see there is not respect for any official in this country....so you PLP or FNM who laugh at this, I hope you laugh when some happens to you....

Posted By: Irate@L.W! On: 2/18/2010

Title: ARREST THAT WOMAN

Laura Williams you should be ashamed of yourself! I don't care if she is some Stalwart Councillor in the PLP, arrest her! TODAY! make an example of this woman! Let the young people see that these so called "important" people suffer consequences too! ARREST HER!

Posted By: WhatGernOn On: 2/18/2010

Title: Deputy PM Hit by PLP Fanatic

I think it is an utter disgrace that PLP Activist Laura Williams had the NERVE to hit the Hon. Brent Symonette, our Deputy Prime Minister yesterday. Ms. Williams, I am sure you have grandchildren...what can you teach them about respect? Absolutely nothing! She should have been arrested right there and then. Just because Mr. Symonette walked away does not mean she is licensed to carry on with her life. Arrest her. Boycott her fruit stall Bahamians! Older persons in our community need to set an example, and if this is how the older generation handles their grievances, then surely what do we expect from the youth. Teach her a lesson and boycott her business, PLPs and FNMs alike!

Posted By: Melissa On: 2/18/2010

Title: Deputy Prime Minister Brent Symonette

The lady who put her hand on the Deputy Prime Minister, Rt. Hon. Brent Symonette should have been immediately arrested by the Police and placed in custody if only overnight. The question should never have been put to the DPM if HE wants to press charges; that should have been automatic. He is the DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER of THE BAHAMAS. (get it right); if the person that did it is the person people are saying, an example needs to be made of her. I don't understand how they expect the young people of our country to behave when they themselves as adults are not showing any example. She is saying to young people that "you don't have to respect authority". It's as simple as that. This bye-election is nothing for people to get all riled up about. It won't change the fact that the FNM are the government. It's just amazing that this same party (PLP) who in the past seemed to have such a dislike for white bahamians are the same ones who are now using a white bahamian/american. They have used him. It's just amazing.

Posted By: Lizzy Voter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Jessica Robertson, Online Editor

Lol...That's understandable!

Posted By: Jesica Robertson, Online Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Lizzy

You're absolutely correct. We made an error in putting the numbers up and have just corrected it. Please continue to keep us on our toes. We haven't had much sleep :)

Posted By: Lizzy Voter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Jessica Robertson, Online Editor

I understand. But i was referring to Poll #6 specifically. My figures could b wrong. But when they gave the unofficial results, it was FMN-157 & PLP-121.
So when it was reported up top that the FNM 'remained' at 154, i understood it to mean that they got 154 in the unofficial results from the start. Which in they got 157.
So in actuality if they now have 154, they lost 3 votes?

Posted By: Resident of Elizabeth On: 2/18/2010

Title: The 41000 fake ballot man

I understand that one of the PLP representatives participating in the recount was Mr. Valentine Grimes. Isn't he the man that alledgely printed the 41000 fake ballots in 2007? I hope they checked his pockets and brief case before he entered the recount room. We only needed ligitimate ballots to be counted and not fake ones.

Posted By: Realistic On: 2/18/2010

Title: @A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all

Let's be realistic here. Do you really think in a country as small as the Bahamas where everybody knows everybody you can run any media organization with zero coverage of people you have personal interactions with? Seriously let's be realistic. That is not going to happen. Everybody knows everybody. Different countries have different press systems it maybe easier to isolate reporters in someplace like the States where there are about 400 million people it's a lot easier for a reporter not to know somebody personally there. But in Nassau everybody cousin blah blah blah etc etc etc know everybody. That is impossible in Nassau. Plus you can be a friend of somebody and not be a friend of their brother or sister or are you friends with all your peeps siblings? Let's be fair and logical here.

Posted By: Jessica Robertson, Online Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Antoinette

Go to the main page and next to The Tribune masthead there's a search box. Type in Andre Rollins and it should come up in the list of all stories containing his name. We have a glitch with the actual archives that hasn't been ironed out yet.

Posted By: Jessica Robertson, Online Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Lizzy Voter

The totals we gave earlier in the day were up to counting of polling division 8.... that latest was the breakdown and tally for polling division 6 that people had been asking for. Sorry for any confusion.

Posted By: Lizzy Voter On: 2/18/2010

Title:

''The PLP's Ryan Pinder gained one vote to go from a tally of 121 votes to 122. The FNM's Duane Sands remained at 154.''
Remained at 154? To my knowledge I thought they had 157.

Posted By: Antoinette On: 2/18/2010

Title: archives

Hey, Tribune, how you work this archives thingy. I pyt in the date I wanted (Feb 6,2010) buit the results came in as none. I want to read the article alrollins_news_pg1lead

Posted By: Just asking.... On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Paco Nunez

We been troddin' on your wine press for too long. Repent. You have the tools. Help us - we are begging you.

Posted By: A little disappointed is now Just asking...that's all On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Paco Nunez

Yes. I saw that article. But, I was looking for a lot of follow-up. I do agree that I could be wrong, but did anyone called the law firm? Also, the article states Mr. Pinder is a consultant but he is listed as a Shareholder on the law firm website. Many law firms allow you to be a Shareholder without ownership interest in the firm - Does he have an ownership interest in the firm? Who are his clients? Who are his clients in Nassau? What has the Nassau office been doing? You advise that Mr. Pinder never answers these questions - just a thought - where is the headline - Pinder refuses to answer questions about.... This is really just constructive criticism. Did anyone call the City of Hollywood or City of Miami Beach (Becker's attorney who ran for City Commission caused extensive court cases over conflict of interest claims and issues...were those opinions pulled - they are available online for free....) Again, who is Ryan Pinder? Who is he? Did you ask him to produce his current client list? If so, did he refuse? That is a story in and of itself for all Bahamians. I am not attacking your paper personally but don't you agree that all reporters on this story should probably have zero personal close relationships with any candidate or their families. Zero. Democracy was founded on Freedom of the Press to report on everything to keep our public officials in check. This young boy, comes out of basically nowhere and now he wants to be an MP? No interest in Bahamas or Bahamian politics...never voted here (who cares about legality - he just did not do it so then he did not care. Period.)....never lived here until April 2009. Did we ask him for a copy of his passport? How many times has he traveled to Fort Lauderdale in the past year? Does he also work out of the Fort Lauderdale office? Who is Yolando Cash Jackson? Why is she supporting him in a Nassau office when she is a lobbyist in South Florida? Who is she? Would she provide a comment since Ryan will not and she is listed as assisting him in the Nassau office on Becker's own press release....By the way - great coverage on the commercial fishing vessel with a mile long net - stay on that one please.

Posted By: Giggles On: 2/18/2010

Title: Aren't we being a little extreme here?

I vote FNM and respect and admire our DPM very much! However, I find myself wondering why we are being so quick to crucify this woman. Firstly, I didn't see any report that said it was Laura who hit him but, I did read a report that said he put his hands on the woman first. Sure, he only did it to encourage her to calm down but, he still touched someone who hadn't given him permission to. So, let's not blow this out of proportion. Besides, Mr. Symonette is a very cool, calm and collected kind of person and it seems to take a lot to ruffle his feathers. I highly doubt he'll be pressing any charges.

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/18/2010

Title: ok then

Elizabeth Voter - More PLPs are acting foolish than FNM's - admit it and be honest. Jesus is the way the TRUTH and the Life!

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Boxes Safe?

oh, thankya Jesus!!! Dey secured the boxes. Ain none a dem plp reps live near East Stree eh? I don't trust em, I don't trust em! Dey does do some shady business man. Erry election dey spots dem does show, no matter how much ashed dey put on dey face yesterday, dem spots does show. Watch dem na!

Posted By: ElizabethVoter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Big Momma

Not my intentions at all! What I am saying is that no matter the case, no matter the party, no matter the person, it is the lack of control over the anger that is causing many to ask so foolishly. Furthermore, those who do not understand it for what it is are now themselves acting foolishly by insulting the lady.
"And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them." -Luk. 6:31

Posted By: a law abiding citizen On: 2/18/2010

Title: justic

That plp crab who slap the dpm should be brought to face chargers.that is why the country is the way it is, because stupid people like this lady will be allowed to get away with what she did,and she will also be supported by other crabs like her self.

Posted By: Breezy On: 2/18/2010

Title: Lock her UP!

I agree with you Stacey Lowe. Lock Laura up! Just because she is a staunch PLP does not mean she should be excuse her from being disciplined. She was OUT OF ORDER! This needs to be dealt with, besides election officials should ban her from the site. UTTER FOOLISHNESS! CONDUCT YOURSELF PLP's!!!!!!!!

Posted By: Big Momma On: 2/18/2010

Title: No Excuse!

Well put Elizabeth voter - what you're saying in essence and based on scripture is that the lady who hit the DPM is a FOOL. She could have been facing charges and for what? Cause her party seems to be losing? I wonder if Ryan would have visited his Number 1 Fan in court for her silly actions. No excuse for foolishness. If that was the Queen of England, she would have controlled herself and acted like she had sense. I don't know how she could make such silly move for someone who doesn't even know her name. Crying shame!

Posted By: Ms. Smith On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ all of you complaining about the length of time it's taking

I doubt they are being negligent. Perhaps (and quite possibly) there are people in the room with too much to say etc. who are holding up the process unnecessarily. And while I'm dying to know the results just as much as anyone else, I'd prefer to have the assurance that they took their time and counted it properly. I really don't want to be opening the Tribune and have to read about Politician's saying the count can't be trusted because they rushed it.

Posted By: Theresa On: 2/18/2010

Title: recount results

what are the official results for polling divisions 6, 7, 8 please. You are only stating that Dr. Sands is ahead by one

Posted By: ElizabethVoter On: 2/18/2010

Title: Emotions

Let us in be more forgiving of the lady who was obviously out of line. Whether it was the DPM or a neighbor, one (myself included) tends to get irrational when one's emotions are heightened at the peak of uncontrolled anger. We see the results every day on the news headlines. Stabbing her, shooting there, foolish decisions everywhere.
"A quick-tempered man does foolish things." Pro. 14:17a
"A fool shows his annoyance at once." Pro. 12:16a
"...But a wise man keeps himself under control." Pro. 29:11b

Posted By: Bahamian overseas On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Can't stand unpatriotic Bahamians

Let's do the math. Three thousand votes over a 24 hour period equates to 125 votes an hour. Damn if they can't count/verify 125 votes an hour they shouldn't be working at the polling stations. I guess you will make excuses for these poll workers that can't get it right.

Posted By: Patriotic Bahamian On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Can't stand unpatriotic Bahamians

It still shouldn't take 48 hours thought that means somebody is holding up the process unnecesarily.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @A Little Disapponted

You accuse The Tribune of being soft on Ryan Pinder. Perhaps you missed stories such as this page one lead, which I believe we were the only paper to print: http://www.tribune242.com/searchresults/02062010_alrollins_news_pg1lead
As you see, Pinder refused to respond to the allegations. The fact of the matter is, all our reporters put difficult questions to Mr Pinder, none more regularly than the individual you have chosen to vilify for some reason. He has consistently refused to comment or even return our calls, and we have made this clear in our stories. On a related note, our news team finds it interesting that you would choose to make unsubstantiated accusations about one of us by name, from behind the comfortable protection of an alias. A bit cowardly, no?

Posted By: Can't stand unpatriotic Bahamians On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Bahamian Overseas

You really should find out about the process before making criticizms. Your mummy never tell you don't talk bout what you don't know hey? There's a method and they have to go about it properly so that the results can be trusted. There are reps there from all sides who have to look at each ballot and the divisions are being counted one by one. Shame on you for being so quick to judge so harshly.

Posted By: Bahamian overseas On: 2/18/2010

Title: Basic Math

This is really ridiculous that in a 24hour period the poll workers or worker can not count 3,000 votes. I guess one person is doing their job while the others are sitting or standing around chit chating (typical government employee). This is absolutely unacceptable what is going on in Nassau. Whoever is responsible for this recount should be removed and should never touch another step in a polling station. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!!!!

Posted By: Stacey Lowe On: 2/18/2010

Title: DPM Symonette

The Lady that hit the DPM should be ashamed of herself............... She is a poor excuse of a humane being. And she should be prosecuted........... Regardless of what side she is on.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Incognito

It is our undertsanding that the protest votes will not be counted unless the matter goes to Election Court. At that point, they will be scrutinised to see if they should be included.

Posted By: Bahamas Unite On: 2/18/2010

Title: Punch?

A little Disappointed are you serious? Did you actually commend the punch for the real investigative journalism? oh dear me...big up to the Tribune. Your coverage has been great. you should be proud, its time we got closer to an unbiased media. keep up the good work. can't wait for this afternoons updates.

Posted By: hard working woman On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Tribune

Can you ask the people that are still there today if they have jobs and why aren't they on them... Or they on vacation or something or out sick

Posted By: Anxious on- looker... On: 2/18/2010

Title: LOL @ Good Laugh

That so true!!! They really need to watch them ballots cus those PLP's WILL find a way to get rid of them. They desperately HUNGRY for power!!! Good one good laugh. Keep in coming...LOL!

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: What da

On the phone....what's dat? PLP rep running through Lizzy with a toilet (I mean ballot box) under he shirt? Call da palice!!! Oh ok, you were only joking? Arright den, talk to ya later. Bye. He! He!

Posted By: A little disappointed On: 2/18/2010

Title: Lawd People Don't Listen

Lizzie Voter - Ryan Pinder said plenty bad things about dr. sands right here in this paper - that he had no business experience - even though Dr. Sands owns and runs his own business and Ryan Pinder does not at all. Tribune....regarding @Know what I am talking about info - we all know Megan Reynolds is Holly Pinder (Ryan's sister) best friend. Megan wrote soft stories no matter what the subject matter and no paper in Nassau except the Punch as usuall did any real investigative journalism during this campaign. That is an unfortunate truth. Frankly, we still don't know who Ryan Pinder is on this very day and you Tribune could have helped us with that. Thanks for nothing Megan. I will ask again. Who is Ryan Pinder? Tell me something that ain't on his FB or resume. Cause that info is not out there.

Posted By: RESPECTACLE BAHAMAIN On: 2/18/2010

Title: NO RESPECT

THE LADY THAT HIT THE D.P.M. WAS REALLY OUT OF ORDER ,WHERE IS THE RESPECT COME ON LADY WHY GET PHYSICAL? THIS IS NOT A WAR HERE .SHE SOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AN EXAMPLE OFF.WETHER P.L.P. OR F.N.M.SHE WAS SO WRONG .THE LEADERS OF THE COUNTRY ARE TO BE RESPECTED. AND AS FOR THE BYE-ELECTION GOES THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB IS GOING TO WIN IT IS INDEED A VERY CLOSE RACE
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS WE STILL HAVE TO LIVE AND WORK HERE ,THIS IS OUR COUNTRY SO THERE IS NO NEED TO FIGHT LETS UNITE
ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR THE ONES WHO CONTROLL AND RUN THIS COUNTRY. GOD BLESS

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Good laugh

Thank you for the morning show! Ha! Ha! Makin' us laugh when we dyin' of suspense! LOL.

Posted By: Know what I am talking about On: 2/18/2010

Title: And, thanks

This coverage continues to shine...

Posted By: mercedes On: 2/18/2010

Title: PLP...no matta wat!

Change........das wa we need ta day. dis is y we gat so many usual, common n borin everyday situations gern in wit us na. how can a country let alone lizzy not realize dat hubert n da fnm party is not fa us. its about time we wake up n pay attention to wats gern on in our country. lizzy say dey need someone to represent dem to da fullest rite? so y elect duane sands? obviously he is not gonna b available half of da time until he either give up wat he say he loves doin..........being a cardiologist r reject he ppl in lizzy. however which eva one he decides ta do wud b a horrible ting to do. y elect sumone u kno cant do da job? lets try da new man who will dedicate he time, n effort in helpin da ppl, da man who can do da job! y is he dual citizenship even an issue? don't we already kno we gat sum mix blood in government na who looks out for he ppl first before us bahamians? after all ryan pinder is a plp, a bahamian, a politician and an eleutheran. i fa ryan n u shud b fa him to. young people lets stick n stay togetha, we fa ryan and the plp!

Posted By: Know what I am talking about On: 2/18/2010

Title: Tribune Reporter

Let's get through this recount. I will fax information again, and, there is a lot more which I believe is relevant but again, we got a recount going on.

Posted By: Jessica Robertson, Online Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Interested and Oberver

We are working on getting the breakdowns for polling divisions #6, 7 & 8 for you. As soon as we've confirmed them, we'll post them

Posted By: OBSERVER On: 2/18/2010

Title: MISSING BALLOT NUMBERS

TRIBUNE DOING AN AWESOME JOB BUT POST THE NUMBERS FOR THE MISSING BALLOTS

Posted By: ElizabethVoter On: 2/18/2010

Title: History!

This is the pitts! I feel sorry for us voters though, we've been reduced to nothing but numbers in what appears to be a battle of who can fluff the largest! In two years we will cry the same thing. Thank God for the opportunities that some of us earn on our own because in the end, the voices of the entire constituency will become that of a single individual no matter how sweet the promises were. What is sweet to the lips now will be bitter at the 'end' and promises are a comfort to a fool.

Posted By: Jesica Robertson, Online Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Incognito

Will ask the reporter who's down there to find out that information for you. Will post in blog when we get the response.

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Watch Out!

Dey take a breay eh, yeah dats good, but who gat dem ballots? PLP gat some slippery people in dere now. Watch out for dem fellas. I ain tink dey going home for no shower. Dey trying to trick someone man. I don't trust dem, dey dishonest. PLEASE KEEP AN EYE ON DOSE BALLATS!!!!!! Next ting when we hear again, PLP up by 100 votes. Dey dishonest, I tell ya! wery, wery dishonest!!!!!

Posted By: Incognito On: 2/18/2010

Title: Protest Votes for L. Ryan Pinder

Tribune, can you inform if the Protest Ballots will be counted that were not initially counted for Ryan Pinder. Is this even true and how will they be dealt with? Will they be added in after all the polling divisions are done?

Posted By: Interested On: 2/18/2010

Title: Numbers please

Thanks for the great job.
Can you please post the final numbers for the recount results in polls 5, 6, 7 & 8?
Super job Tribune!

Posted By: Giggles On: 2/18/2010

Title: Good morning everyone!

Boy, this is like we are a bunch of ol' retired folks who get to sit around all day watching ZNS and arguing about politics. I love it! Thanks Tribune team!

Posted By: Get over it On: 2/18/2010

Title: @lizzie voter

My point was that I got my business started without gov't assistance, but I was letting you know that if assistance was what you were looking for there are mutiple resources both gov't and private. ;ust letting you know so if you hit one speed bump it's not the end of the road. If you read any of my posts nothing negative was said about the candidates and I am sure you read the post where I commended both of them yes your vote is your vote and it really does not concern me; however, I though that 0i would offer some suggestions to assist you since with all the talk about election court ensuing you may very well be waiting for months on a representative in your constituency.

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Ya Morning Coffee

Morning everyone. Ryan gone back home to the US yet? LOL!!
Dis the scene inside Thelma Gibson:
Tommy T, & Carl Bethel knock out sleep with dripple falling from dey mouth. Dion only gat one eye open. All the PLP people representative awake and eyed dead red. One of dem gat one chain in front of Dion eyes swinging it from side to side trying to get him to fall sleep (boy, Dion almost gone sleep too). The other PLP reps gat the about 50 FNF ballots in dey hand say dey counting. Errytime Dion eyes close lil bit they start to put dem ballots in dey pocket. Boy, dey does start one piece a cussing when he eyes open back up. Don't forget, dem PLP reps eyes redder than that sea the FNM created the other day but dey can fall sleep. I see 2 toothpicks under Koed h das Allison Maynard asking how dey coming. Koed tell her dey down by 1. Ya know what Allison say eh......boy count dat again man! Count it again!!!!!! Morning errybody.

Posted By: Pookie On: 2/18/2010

Title: hmm

one thing bout these bahamians they dont like CHANGES!!!..RYAN THE LION!!

Posted By: Giggles On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Know what I am talking about

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you were being sarcastic when you asked, "Where were the hard questions to Ryan Pinder?", because I'm certain you must be aware of who put on the debate and the fact that he is a well known PLP supporter.
Anyhow, I hope to see more debates in the future but hopefully they will be properly organized by an independent Electoral Debates Commission with all the various media houses invited. Kuddos to Mr. Issues of the Day for making the first giant leap, regardless of its blatant bias.

Posted By: Tribune reporter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Know what I am talking about

We don't know what fax you mean. Please contact us at tribune@tribunemedia.net or on 502-2359 if you have information you think the Bahamian should know.

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ Get over it

Thank you soo much for respecting my decision. Let me make it clear that I am well aware of the jump start program for persons wanting to become entrepreneurs because I've filled out an application from almost a year now and haven't received any help. Since you were able to get your businesses started with the help of the Government, then maybe you should help me out cause I can't seem to get any favor with them. I've done a lot of "leg work" on my own and I was not waiting on any MP to deliver anything for me. That just happened to be Ryan's plan which was to help us jump start our own business and if any other Candidate had presented the same plan much better, than I would have rolled with them. Fact is, my vote was already cast and counted for L. Ryan Pinder, in spite of all negative comments towards him during his campaign. I hate to see people argue and sling mud and I've noticed that Ryan hasn't said one mean thing about Dr. Sands during the whole campaign and that was truly impressive. I don't feel that Bahamians need to sling mud in order to win a seat. Election suppose to be a clean and fair process. You have your opinion and I have mine. You vote who you think is better and i'll do the same. Don't tell me I'm stupid for voting who I thought was best. This is a democratic society and I have the right to vote for who I want. I am not directing this message at you, but Bahamians in general. Let us respect each other's decision because at the end of the day, no matter what you say or do, I will still vote for who I feel is better. :D

Posted By: Know what I am talking about On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Get over it & @Sammy T

Right on about starting your own business - MP's can't help those who don't want to get out there and help themselves. Lizzie vote - just do it! Go look up those resources - the assistance you need is already there! As for advising the FNM, I faxed all this information with newspaper articles from Florida to the Tribune and they just did not run with it. I am not a voter in lizzie so I could not really get on the ground and go ask these questions directly to Ryan. Frankly, the debate should have been town hall - on t.v. and radio and questions should have been fired up and ready to go - but most people too busy towing party lines and talking smack instead of real issues. I don't think Ryan could even answer hard questions such as, "Mr. Pinder, what is your salary from Becker? What is your receivables requirement from Becker? What is your law business focus? Who are your clients? What do you do for them? What are their names? Can we call them for references? Why did you defend the right to dual citizenship for the first two weeks of the election then switch strategy and reveal that you had actually renounced it a few days before the election?" Well, I am going to sleep but I think you get my drift. Where were the hard questions to Ryan Pinder? Nowhere.

Posted By: Slim Ting On: 2/18/2010

Title: Good Info

Thanks Get over it, I think your expressions should help Lizzy voter a lot. He really seems to have a real interest in advancing himself. All the Best Lizzy voter!

Posted By: Get over it On: 2/18/2010

Title: @ lizzie voter

While I respect your right to vote/opinion etc., we as people need to make things happen for ourselves. Part of that means doing your research. The current & previous administration has several entrepreneurial initiatives in place such as the "Self Starters program" in which one million dollars was earmarked for entrepreneurs with viable business ideas. Other governmental agencies and private organizations alike have numerous seminars for persons interested in starting their own businesses. I did my own research and have been operating my business from late 2008 (despite the recession), so if that's what you are interested in, there are huge amount of resources out there...you just have to do some leg work and not wait for an MP to hand deliver it to you...this has nothing to do with your vote - I'm just saying entrepreneurial initiatives have been in the forefront especially with the current administration as it is wider than a "constituency issues" and is critical for our national development. Best of luck in your endeavors!

Posted By: Sammy T On: 2/18/2010

Title: Wow

Yes, this is very interesting. "Know what I am talking about", you should have advised the FNM in the run-up to this one! That way, Duane would have won by a landslide and we would not have to go through this nonsense!

Posted By: Slim Ting On: 2/18/2010

Title: Eyeopener

Things that make you go hmmmm! These are good thoughts to think on tonight people!

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/18/2010

Title: Slim ting

If he never renounced his citizenship then why was he allowed to run? He didn't just went to the Parliamentary commissioner and say I renounced my citizenship. They had to investigate that. Ryan obviously doesn't care about any cash in his pocket because Politicians don't make much money! I don't see why his citizenship is such a big issue because he's Bahamian through his father who was also a Politician. Ryan's plan convinced me enough to vote for him and that is why he got my vote. Sands plan wasn't convincing enough. I don't have anything against Dr. Sands or the FNM because I don't vote for party, I vote for candidate. Ryan was better in my opinion and again that is why I rolled with him. Could you and the other FNM supporters respect my opinion and decision? I am not any less of a Bahamian or stupid and I do have sense and so are the 1499 voters that voted for Ryan on Tuesday. I did what I think would be best for me and my decision was clear..L. Ryan Pinder..thank you!

Posted By: Know what I am talking about On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Slim Ting

Puzzle pieces Ryan himself failed to reveal and no one in Nassau asked him directly about any of it. Ryan is not ready. Even if he wins this seat, he has burned quite a few bridges in Nassau during this campaign and frankly, I do see him every really being taken seriously by the HA as a whole. He will be completely ineffective. He is green horse being stuck in the Kentucky Derby. He better hope he wins, because if he does not, he can't come back after this election. He gotta spend some time building a true base - but where? Everyone else in this town laughing at him. Lizzie cared so much that a lot of them just decided not to vote. Dr. Sands takes this, what is Ryan gonna do? He better bring in some cash for that law firm or they gonna cut him loose. Law firms are about one thing - Money. Cash is king for them. Will he be able to bring Americans to do business in Nassau after this if he wins or loses? Hmmmm....good question, but it might be hard with the current govt. Frankly, you got live in Nassau every day and know what is going on to be able to have a plan for how to "fix" problems. I ain't tryin' to go to Port Au Prince to fix it - I have never lived there. A wise man once told me - problem with people is dey think they know so much but the true person dat really knows something - dat person is the person who admit what he don't know.

Posted By: Slim Ting On: 2/18/2010

Title: To: Know what I am talking about

Wow! you really put some clarity on this whole thing. I just wasn't making sense to me. How this Ryan Pinder who never even voted in the Bahamas suddenly wants to be involved in politics. I wouldn't mind if he came back to the Bahamas and entered some other type of business but politics is nowhere for him to be because it's more suited for passionate Bahamians at heart. After he votes a couple times, it would look better. The picture is distorted, it really is.

Posted By: Know what I am talking about On: 2/18/2010

Title: lizzie voter

Ok then-what was his plan to introduce entrepreneurship? I never saw his actual plan - what was the strategy? Did he lay it out for you specifically? No. He pulled his plan out of his college textbooks on the subject and those plans don't work because entrepreneurs my dear friend come up with the plan on their own and pave new paths. No govt. needed or wanted. Trust me.

Posted By: Know what I am talking about On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Slim Ting

Some facts for you. Law firm receivables are way down here in So.Fla. The Bulk of Becker & Poliakoff's practice is condominium law for condominium/homeowner's associations which are now mostly broke because everyone is in foreclosure and not paying their monthly maintenance fees to the association. Their firm should do ok because of their extensive govt. lobbying contracts. Becker lobbies the Florida legislature for laws that protect the associations but not the homeowners themselves. Seems that firm trying to make a grab for the Bahamas using their boy Mr. Pinder. He only cares about cash in his pocket. He never voted in the Bahamas because he had no intention of returning until the US economy crashed and it is continuing to crash and burn. He is only an opportunist and nothing more. Hence why he never voted. I seriously doubt he truly renounced his citizenship.

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/18/2010

Title: To know what I am talking about"

I never said Ryan was an Entrepreneur. I said that part of his plan was to introduce entrepreneurship to the constituents so that we could start our own business. That is all I am interested in right now. You don't know what Ryan is capable of, neither do I. If he wins, and do not deliver, then he will be voted out. It's as simple as that. What i do know for sure is, Dr. Sands would never find the time to help me or any of us. Let him stay in the hospital where he is needed most. That is my opinion, I've already voted, I am rolling with Ryan, so case closed.

Posted By: Slim Ting On: 2/18/2010

Title: Misunderstanding

My dear Lizzi voter. Glad to know that you exercised your right to vote yesterday. I am not saying that Ryan Pinder is NOT a Bahamian citizen. Trust me, he wouldn't be running if he wasn't. My thing is that he has NEVER voted in the Bahamas. That concerns me. It makes me wonder if he really has the Bahamas at heart of if running in this election is something he just wants to try out for the heck of it. Most Bahamian politicians are Bahamians at heart and one way they express that is by exercising their right to vote in the Bahamas. They would rather be nowhere else than in the Bahamas during election to vote for the party of their choice. Yes, the man is a Bahamian citizen but I question whether he is a Bahamian at heart. He is not a passionate Bahamian. I'm sorry but someone who has never voted in the Bahamas and is is his age CANNOT get my vote - something is wrong with that picture. Something isn't right and you know that yourself. He doesn't even speak with passion about the Bahamas because he has no passion for our lovely Bahamas. It's almost like having Obama say that he wants to run in the Bahamas - it seems like a great idea, he has good plans but he won't have a passion for the people. I know Ryan means well but I think he would do better in a couple a years after he votes a few times. A prime minister of the Bahamas who never voted in the Bahamas - ABSURD!!!!!!

Posted By: Observing from USA On: 2/18/2010

Title: Go HOME PPL...GO HOME

LOL @ These folks huddled in the cold....
God COverage Tribune..keep it up

Posted By: Know what I am talking about On: 2/18/2010

Title: to lizzie voter

Ryan is not an entrepreneur. He is a US tax law attorney and he talks about small business development but what small businesses has he built/advised in Nassau? He has zero experience in small business over here (Ryan's experience with small business is the US definition - $1-$5 million gross per year). I am an attorney in South Florida. Mr. Pinder has not advised small businesses (I do) because small businesses cannot afford Becker & Poliakoff attorney's fee charges. Why do I know this? I represent small businesses here in Miami and Bahamians doing business from Nassau here in South Florida. He sold you a bag of empty promises. Actions speak louder than words. Right now - Mr. Pinder is words only - zero action - zero accomplishment excepting some expensive schooling and 2 law jobs in the states after school. That is it. Dr. Duane Sands will do more for Elizabeth entrepreneurs and also be able to be a heart surgeon.

Posted By: Lizzi Voter On: 2/18/2010

Title: To "Use ya head"

The same applies for the FNM. Like an fnm lady said on the news, she voted FNM because that is what she is...So stop being bias and be fair. Ryan Pinder is a Bahamian, he renounced his citizenship before nomination day hence he is eligible to run as a candidate for Lizzi, that is why he wasn't denied to run. Dr. Sands is a heart surgent..he needs to stay in the hospital where he is needed most..I voted Ryan because I like his plan better. I am an aspiring photographer and would love to become an Entrepreneur. That's Ryan plan..das why I rolling with Ryan!

Posted By: trina On: 2/18/2010

Title: It's going all night!

Wow. What an election. I just can't go to sleep yet. Tribune reporters - thank you for staying up for us!

Posted By: sade On: 2/18/2010

Title: Sad lizzie cursed

Cursing is not for this forum at all. Thank you to the Tribune for deleting commentator identified as lizzie's cursing comment.

Posted By: Slim Ting On: 2/18/2010

Title: Ah, Well

yeah Lizzy. I know the truth hurts, hence your remark. i didn't expect any better response from you though. When you get your head clear, think about what I said ok. You have to want better in life man.

Posted By: Slim Ting On: 2/18/2010

Title: Use ya Head

To Lizzi, you are a staunch PLP so you know they voted for party not the person. Y'all don't know that Ryan Pinder any more than the man in the moon. He never even voted in the Bahamas and want my vote. Das a crying shame and an insult to the Bahamian people. If y'all had any sense you would think about it but all y'all gat sense to say is PLP all the way. To me that means, you don't care if the plp candidate just spit in your face - you voting for him cause he's plp. So very sad.

Posted By: Grateful Patriot On: 2/18/2010

Title: This is better than t.v!

Thanks tribune 242, I can go out come home and not miss a beat, even if some of the readers have been brainwashed by the two party system it is a great day to be a Bahamian in my home town.

Posted By: Get over it On: 2/18/2010

Title: We must do better

I would first like to commend both Sands and Pinder for running a clean campaign. While there might have been some below the belt blows thrown by other reps of both parties I would say that the two candidates stayed clear of the mud slinging. Now...I was QUITE embarrassed to see the behaviour of my people today (both PLP and FNM just in case some of you forgot that we are all one Bahamas). Yes many of us have a deep love for our respective parties; however, to get to the point of physical assault, personal attacks, and name calling is simply ridiculous. The scene that played out on the newscast tonight was low, and downright embarrassing. While the "regular folk" were carrying on as the BTC commercial would say "like a pack of monkeys", the former PM and current DPM were shaking hands and laughing - it's called diplomacy; agreeing to disagree. We lose friendships over FNM/PLP, but at the end of the day when our country is split over petty politics, the regular folk i.e. me and you are left to pick up the pieces. The sad thing is that most of the people involved were old enough to be my parents and grandparents; yet, they would be the first ones to attribute our rising levels of violence to the inability of the youth to resolve conflict. People we need to be bigger than this...everyone is entitled to their own opinion whether it's the crab/torch or the hammer :-) We need to exhibit more self control and respect for others...and that's my five cents

Posted By: candy On: 2/18/2010

Title:

something just not rite to long things go wrong.

Posted By: The Truth On: 2/18/2010

Title: To Lizzy

Slim Ting- He must have known sufficient for 1500 voters to have voted for him on Tuesday. Obviously you have no appreciation for what is good. PLP all the way

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: To James Brown

Mr Brown, I just wanted to let you know, just in case you missed it, that we have now posted the results of the recount of polling division five. You will be pleasantly surprised to see, given your view of us as terribly biased, that we posted these figures despite the fact that your candidate Ryan Pinder closed the gap on Duane Sands by one vote.
-PN

Posted By: Get over it On: 2/18/2010

Title: Be Patient...

I do not understand - why all the negative talk about the poll workers? the delay in the recount is that #1. both parties are scrutinizing each individual ballot #2 both parties must sign off on the results before they are certified and announced #3 if the job was rushed most of you "die hard supporters" would cry that the recount was not done properly if your side does not win. So whatever time it takes to do the job properly is fine; we need to be patient. Furthermore, the talk of election court is already all over so you may have to wait on months for a decision in any event...

Posted By: peter On: 2/18/2010

Title:

the tribune has done an excellent job i want to go sleep but am a fnm cant trust the plp they will do anything for a win.

Posted By: Dr. Sands got this one On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Slim Ting

Ryan can't go back to the States since he renounced his citizenship (unless he did not really do that) unless he get him a police report (tee hee).

Posted By: Slim Ting On: 2/18/2010

Title: The Truth?

The Truth - your statement that we will have Ryan for 5 years? Y'all serious?? Y'all betta hope mr Ryan Pinder doesn't go back to the States after he loses this seat because he obviously has no passion for the Bahamian political system. He never even voted. I wonder how many times he ever drove through Elizabeth Estates prior to running for this seat? I'm sure they had to give him direcions to where Elizabeth Estates is located when they pushed him to run. Boy y'all better open y'all eyes here, this fella don't have your best interest at heart. Wake up and see the real picture

Posted By: MRS. CHARLTON On: 2/18/2010

Title: FNM!.....NO..PLP!....NO....FNM!......NO....PLP!

My only wish is that my Bahamian people would rally and fight for God the same way they do for the FNM/PLP! Why are we fighting amongst ourselves because of political opinions?

Posted By: Wide Awake On: 2/18/2010

Title: Tribune got comments rollin' tonight

Rollin....

Posted By: Maria On: 2/18/2010

Title:

Thanks to the Tribune for an excellent job of unbiased, up-to-the-minute, accurate, 21 Century news reporting. You're the best!

Posted By: The Truth On: 2/18/2010

Title: To Lizzy

Lizzy look at the bright side you will have Sands for two years and Ryan for five.
PLP all the way

Posted By: elizabeth On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Paco Nunez

You are so welcome. I hope the Tribune reporters are being sent good food and warm blankets and cars while they wait. Bahamians all over are refreshing this page every 15 minutes. I know because I am on the phone with everyone. We are just dying with anticipation. Without you, Bahamians would have no central information reference. I could get no work done today at my desk following this! Exciting! This coverage deserves an award! Thank your whole team for us! I would drive food over there myself but someone borrowed my car.

Posted By: elizabeth On: 2/18/2010

Title: @Good laugh!

LOL .... I weak.

Posted By: Good Laugh On: 2/18/2010

Title: Count it Again!!

Election 2007 - Count it again!!! Did she win??? No she didn't!!
By-Election 2010 - Man, count that again man!!! Will they win? No they won't!
he, he

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: To Elizabeth

Thank you for following us and trusting us. It has been very encouraging for our news team to read the many comments expressing support and appreciation. We will continue to be your eyes and ears in Elizabeth until the final result is announced.

Posted By: elizabeth On: 2/18/2010

Title: Thank you Paco Nunez

The Tribune has done an excellent job and this is just wonderful. The reporting is fair, objective and is keeping us all informed. Without you - we would all know nothing but gossip on the street. Thank you.

Posted By: Ready for results On: 2/18/2010

Title: Polling Divion 4 is in

The Tribune posted the results and they are counting no. 5 right now. As for anyone who is PLP or FNM to the day they die - then they are not an objective voter. Unless both parties have zero scandal and everyone is very, very honest. The only reason Ryan Pinder got any votes is because of people who vote the party line no matter what. Dr. Sands was the better candidate and anyone who disagrees cannot just look at this election objectively and without emotion. But, at least it made this by-election very exciting.

Posted By: Paco Nunez, Tribune News Editor On: 2/18/2010

Title: To James Brown

As it happens, we reported the results of polling division 4 at 6.51pm. Perhaps you should actually read the posts before commenting. As to whether or not FNM officials are huddled in their vehicles, my reporters on the scene tell me they are not. I don't suppose you are on the scene to provide a better perspective?

Posted By: karma On: 2/18/2010

Title: PLP act of desperation

All this grand standing PLP doing is a Sign of desperation. Hold firm FNM don't be railroad by a bunch of crooks!!

Posted By: Tired of ppl Sour Grapes On: 2/18/2010

Title: SMT @ James Brown

Dude maybe you should read before you write. Check 6:51pm they aleady posted it. Apparently not being able to read is as PLP trait. Ya late again just like Christie.

Posted By: James Brown On: 2/18/2010

Title: Biased

It's curious that at 9:28 you do not have any figures for Polling Division 4. Is it because Mr. Pinder has won that polling division?? Additionally, haven't you seen Senior FNM officials huddled in their vehicles also?! BE FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: Speagle On: 2/18/2010

Title: Jack asses everywhere

PLP supporter you are one BIG JACKASS...............

Posted By: bahamian abroad On: 2/17/2010

Title: good job!

I think it really doesnt matter who wins the election. I just want to congratulate the tribune on the reporting, i feel a bit of the excitement like im at home. lol@plp officials in the jeep, yall giving weather update too lol

Posted By: PLP SUPPORTER ALL THE WAY THE MY EXIT OUT OF THIS WORLD On: 2/17/2010

Title: There is still hope for the PLP

FNM is only up by 2 and 8 more polling division needed to be recounted and the PLP still has hope in winning this BYE-ELECTION in ELIZABETH. If this bye-election goes to court I far as I know that there are balllots that PLP and FNM wants to combat with but there is disagreements between the two whether to give that vote or take it away. Like Ingraham said last night at the rally that it could go anyway, it could go our way and it could their way. We Bahamians needs to stop scrutinizing people whether they eligible to run or not. If Ryan was unable to run his name would not appear on te ballot because the returning officer and the palarmentary commissioner would denied his nomiation on friday the 26th of january but they didn't right, so what that means he is elgible to run as a candidate. 1800 didn't vote and guess what half of that number would have gone to Ryan but then they might of think that they don't feel like voting, if they didn't want to vote for Ryan I know they could vote Duane Sands and just for once until 2012 or any other candidates but even if you'll are right they just feel comfortable and satisfy in not voting at all. SO BAHAMIAN THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY NOT A DICTATOR COUNTRY WHICH INGRAHAM IS RUNNING. WHY I SAY THAT, ALL OF HIS MINISTERS ARE SCARED OF HIM, WHEN HAITI WAS STRUCK BY AN EARTHQUAKE WHEN SOME CAME OVER BY ILLEGALLY TO THE BAHAMAS THE MINISTER FOR IMMIGRATION SAID THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SET UP TENTS IN INAGUA. WHAT HE SAID, "THERE WILL BE NO TENTS" AND AT ONE OF THEIR RALLIES THIS WHAT HE SAID, "IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR ME, YOU DON'T GET NOTHING." SAME AS "VOTE FOR ME YOU GET SOMETHING." I THINK HE SHOULD CALL A GENERAL ELECTION BECAUSE WHENEVER HE CALSS IT, IMMA VOTE HIM OUT AND OUT AND STAY OUT OF POLITICS STOP BEING A DICTATOR AND LISTEN TO YOUR CABINENT MINISTERS AND ACT AS A TEAM NOT A DICTATOR.

Posted By: EAR ON THE GROUND On: 2/17/2010

Title: Mistake

In an earlier posting I referred to Cassius Moss as having done well in the by-election. Apologies to Cassius Stuart for my Freudian slip. He is a fighter.

Posted By: Yamacraw On: 2/17/2010

Title: election

i mean the FNM like 2 work vodoo...that thing is alive and kicking..Ryan Pinder is going 2 win this election..PLP ALL THE WAY...THIS COUNTRY IS IN A MESS IT IS IN NOW THE FNM AND THE BAHAMIAN PUBLIC LIK 2 MUCH SLACKNESS...DR DUANE SANDS MUSSIE EEN TIRED OF SELLING HE VOTES 2 THE HATIAN PEOPLE...DAS MY 5 CENTS!

Posted By: Bahamian who Votes in the Bahamas On: 2/17/2010

Title: Amen Special K!

Amen!

Posted By: In da congregation On: 2/17/2010

Title: Special K havin' Church

PREACH!!! Specail K PREACH!!!

Posted By: Special K On: 2/17/2010

Title: Ryan Who???

Having a heart for the Bahamas and it's people begin long before you reach age 35. Think about it. Ryan Pinder has never voted in his beloved Bahama Land. That's crazy!!!! And he wants to represent me?????? Everyone wondering why so many people did not vote in this by-election. It's because Ryan Pinder could not convince anyone to do so because he never voted himself! Welcome to the Bahamas Ryan. You need to practice what ya preach! Don't tell me go vote and you never vote yourself. That's hypocritical to say the least!! This PLP move with Ryan Pinder is like the Republican's move with Sarah Palin. Was he the only eligible candidate?? Come on man, PLP could have done better than this. I'm not surprised of them though.

Posted By: Bahamas Unite On: 2/17/2010

Title: Voting

How could you possible expect Ryan Pinder to vote if he was not a resident here during his voting years? That would have been improper and his vote would be thrown out. How is that the right thing to do? Its not. The Bahamas is very fortunate to have someone with his expertise and passion to serve his country return home. Ryan is a Bahamian with roots in the Bahamas that probably go back way further than many other Bahamians.

Posted By: Kick Turnquest OUT!! On: 2/17/2010

Title: Get Real Realist

@ Realist. Even if what you say about Mr Grimes is true (which its not) Mr Turnquest is incharge of elections as he is Minister of National Security he should NOT be in the room.

Posted By: Realist On: 2/17/2010

Title: Valentine Grimes got nerve

Caught with fake ballots and he wants to kick Minister Turnquest out of the room? That is hilarious! Must be PLP realizing they are losing!

Posted By: Mike P On: 2/17/2010

Title: The real problems!

I agree with some of the comments on stop commenting on Ryan Pinder's status. He lived in the US during the elections when he was old enough to vote. It would have been illegal for him to come home and vote. Just because he lived in the US does not mean he did not have interests in the national development of The Bahamas. I am in the same situation. I have been elligible, at least age wise to vote in the last 3 general ellections, and I have only voted in one. The reason is I lived out of the country. It has no bearing on my feelings towards to The Bahamas and the national pride I have for my country.
This election is showing how much election reform is needed in The Bahamas. To me, regardless who is declared the winner of this election, the real important people, THE Bahamian public are the real losers in this whole process. How much money has the government spent on the running of this election? Wouldn't that money have been better spent on some of the social programs during this, the worst economic climate since the great depression. How much money was spent by each candidate/party? If they really wanted to make an impact, declare that they will run in the next general election, and use there money to help the community now. I really don't get why the main party or any third party doesn't do this now.

Posted By: TISM On: 2/17/2010

Title: Besides the point

I sympathize with Ernest. THe nationality of the PM and former do not come to bear simply because they participated in the political process by at least voting here BEFORE they offered for candidacy. It seems a bit disingenuous that someone would first enter the political discussion as a candidate and not the electorate. It just makes it look like you did not care before you set your ambitions on holding public office.

Posted By: PROUD FNM BUT WANT IT TO BE FAIR On: 2/17/2010

Title: WHY ALL THE BAD FEELINGS???

Thank you for allowing me the space to write my feelings on all of this. I think that we as Bahamians got o far when it comes to Election time. We need to think about the fact that after all is said and done we all have tolive together and help one another. First, I think is crazy that any one would support or vote for a man that has never voted in our country. This shows that he had no interest. Why now do you feel the need to run? I think that we should look at which man is the best for the job and support him. Please lets all look at the out come and accept it as to whatever it may be. Be it FNM or PLP lets just all get along and support them and hope that they do better for our community. I am a young FNM supporter and pround of it but I tell you this all makes me sick and aashamed to be a Bahamian.

Posted By: HOPELESS!! On: 2/17/2010

Title: TaLK ABOUT NATIONALITY FOR REAL!!!!

Curly,
You are indeed correct. To go even further, we all know our first Prime Minister had Jamaican descent. Our current PM is Haitian, so why are we making a big deal about Ryan Pinder? People get with the program, we CAN have DUAL citizenship, it's legal ya know!!! It's obvious all of these FNM's are too quick to criticize without pointing the finger at themselves first...shabby, get ya facts people!!!

Posted By: Curly On: 2/17/2010

Title: Talking about Nationality

Didnt you FNMs vote in the now Hatian Prime Minister of the Bahamas?

Posted By: Bahamas Unite On: 2/17/2010

Title: What happen to Democracy?

Carl Bethel Says: "We are not going to let court room tactics interfere...". Court room tactics? you mean the PLP fighting for justice? This is not democracy. Who do you think is running the show in the recount...its the GOVERNMENT. Unfortunately, I doubt the PLP will come out of the recount victorious, even though they should. This is controlled by the FNM, just as the election was. This country is in a sad state. Bethel says his job is to ensure victory, and thats just what he will do any ways possible. pathetic. Ryan Pinder is the true winner.

Posted By: Ernest E. Williams On: 2/17/2010

Title: Heads examined

Thanks for allowing me to voice my opinion on the By-Election. First of all I don't understand how Bahamain citizens can vote for a person who has only been in the Bahamas for a little over two years (I stand to corrected) and has had two citizenship, a person who has never registered, never voted, in an election in the Bahamas even if that person has family living in the bahamas.
I think all those 1500 voters wearing yellow shirts who voted for that person needs to have their heads examined.

Posted By: Devils Advocate On: 2/17/2010

Title: Election

@true bahamain.......As a PLP supporter, give us 5 reasons why you trust the PLP as your Government?

Posted By: Marion On: 2/17/2010

Title: The Layout

Thank you Tribune. This was wonderful to have at finger tips at work.

Posted By: TISM On: 2/17/2010

Title: Rise above the noise

The truth about this by-election is it is a distraction from the things that we should be acting on. While they are fighting tooth and nail over these couple of votes in an election that will amount to the completion of a term already in progress, the system of nepotism and kisses by favour continue to plague public grants in this country. Our crown land has been given as gifts to whomever successive senior officials please, while other applicants wait with no response or recourse and despite a lengthy report it is doubtful that without a relentless public appeal anything will be done to reform the Department of Lands and Survey. We need to rise above the noise of political rhetoric and impress upon our MP's that if they don't plead with the House of Assembly to move on the recommendations of the Lands Committee they will be out of a job come 2012. Why should I have to stand out in front of parliament to protest when I elected someone on the inside? MP's are not our personal genies but they are our hired community activists, let them work for our votes on an issue of national importance, PLP or FNM.