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Published On:Monday, March 15, 2010

By ALISON LOWE

Tribune Staff Reporter

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A FORMER FNM minister and MP has lashed out at the Government and police, accusing them of "terrorising peaceful citizens" as they continue to enforce anti-gambling laws.

Theresa Moxey-Ingraham yesterday described the use of "valuable police resources" to raid web shops where members of the public are "engaging in peaceful and personal activity within the precincts of a licensed business establishment" as a "travesty".

"In a time when crime is rampant, known criminals are on the loose and traffic violations are the order of the day, there is so much of greater value for our Police to pay attention to," said the ex-cabinet minister.

Mrs Moxey-Ingraham made her comments yesterday in a letter to The Tribune, written in her capacity as a member of the Bahamas Gaming Reform Committee. The BGRC wants to see a relaxation of the Bahamas' anti-gaming laws to allow Bahamians and Bahamas residents to gamble.

It claims the laws prohibiting them from doing so, while visitors can at will, are discriminatory and are causing The Bahamas to lose its competitive touristic standing in the region, among other things.

Referring to the enforcement of the laws, which the BGRC consider outdated, Mrs Moxey-Ingraham, who served as MP for Golden Gates from 1992 to 2002 and held numerous ministerial portfolios under the former Ingraham administration, said the "time has long come and gone for this nonsense to stop".

Her comments come in the wake of recent raids on web shops in New Providence, in which a number of customers and employees were taken into custody, and cash was seized by police.

At the time of one of those raids - that of the Collins Avenue location of the Island Luck web cafe on Tuesday March 9 - a number of officers admitted to The Tribune that they saw "no sense" in what they were doing as the numbers house would in all likelihood be open for business again in 24 hours - along with the countless others throughout the length and breadth of the country.

Mrs Moxey-Ingraham said: "Government should not be in the business of making criminals and fugitives out of its citizens, especially over matters such as gaming which can be classified as a 'victimless' activity.

"Our citizens and residents ought to enjoy the same recreational privileges as visitors to these shores, and they have shown by their quiet persistence and their determination that despite feeble attempts by government and the Police to stop them, they fully intend to take ownership of their inherent right to equal treatment within this country."

She suggested that the fact Bahamians continue to frequent numbers houses in large numbers could be taken by the Government as a sign that it is time to legalise the activity.

"Peaceful, forceful civil disobedience is often the people's way of bringing home a message to government about the need to change discriminatory laws and policies, and the continued, indeed growing presence of web cafes across our landscape should be understood as a serious message to government about the need to adopt a new policy direction as regards gaming for Bahamians," said the former minister.

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Posted By: Crystal Bodie On: 3/18/2010

Title: Some a yall cant be Bahamians how stink yall talking about Bahamians

Bahamas for Bahamians so you know. If you come in my own house and eating my Lobster in my house, how you could tell me I cant eat Lobster in my own house too.You gat ta be kiddin. I read everything below and KVB and John Doe, both of yall hit the nail on the head, even though John Doe, it was kinda lengthy but you drove the point home. The rest of yall cant be Bahamians to be speaking about yall self so stink like that. Yall might as welll give up yall Bahamian citizenship and get out since thats how yall feel about me and other Bahamians who aint nothing like that.

Posted By: JOHN DOE On: 3/18/2010

Title: CORRECTION FOR ERASMUS FOLLY

Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 3/15/2010
Title: Gambling vs Crime
We should have a national lottery that tourists can buy into anyway - they could win tax free B$ amounts that must be re-invested in the Bahamas - how's that for a creative solution?!
OUTSIDE THE BOX IN 2010!
***AGAIN, YOUR LAST COMMENT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING YOU AND I
"CORRECTION"
I MEANT TO SAY AGREE ON AND AGAIN, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN NOW TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE COMMENTS YOU MADE FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE.
HOPEFULLY***

I MEANT TO SAY AGREE ON AND AGAIN, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN NOW TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE COMMENTS YOU MADE FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE.
HOPEFULLY***
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Posted By: JOHN DOE On: 3/18/2010

Title: DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BAHAMIANS IS WRONG

***SEE MY COMMENTS BELOW AND FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, READ FROM THE BOTTOM UP***
Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 3/16/2010
Title: Laws
@yourgeneral
I disagree strongly. Not all laws are merely 'laws'. On one level, yes, but on another level, one of the biggest problems facing the Bahamas is that is has many archaic laws on the books.
***BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU ARE SUPPORTING AN ARCHAIC LAW THAT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST BAHAMIANS.***
The gambling laws are one such set of laws. It is ludicrous that we don't have a national lottery or a taxed 'gaming' system for locals in this country in 2010. Beyond ludicrous.
***I AGREE WITH THAT POINT***
The result is there for all to see - an illegal gaming industry, where very few benefit. This law must be changed.
***DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BAHAMIANS ARE EMPLOYEED AT THE VARIOUS CASINO RESORTS AND THE INTERNET CAFES AND BENEFIT DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY.
THESE ARE WHO BENEFITS:
THE BANKS, BEC, WATER AND SEWAGE, BTC, INSURANCE COMPANIES, MAINTAINENCE COMPANIES, CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, NATIONAL INSURANCE, THE CHURCH, CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, SCHOOLS AND OFF COURSE THE GOVERNMENT AMOUNG MANY OTHERS WHO ALL BENEFIT FROM THE GAMING INDUSTRY IN THE BAHAMAS “INCLUDING THE SO CALLED ILLEGAL INDUSTRY YOU SPEAK OFF WHICH DOES NOT EXIST.”***
The Bahamian people in deed, if not in word, have shown that they want some form of gambling.
***BAHAMIANS WHO IS SPOKE TOO (AS I CANNOT SPEAK FOR EVERY BAHAMIAN UNLIKE HOW SOME OTHER BAHAMIANS TRY TO DO) WANT TO BE TREATED EQUALLY WITH NON-BAHAMIANS.***
The government must figure out how to accommodate this development while benefiting the country in a positive way.
***HOW IS THE GOVERNMENT GOING TO CONTROL INTERNET GAMING WEBSITES BASED OUTSIDE THE BAHAMAS?***
Proceeds from gambling should go to a consolidated education fund - not the public treasury, with oversight that is bipartisan and non-governmental. Thus, monies wasted in present vice can go towards a more educated and virtuous future. This is the ONLY logical and practical path to take on this issue.
***AND AGAIN I AGREE WITH YOU AS THIS CAN EASILY BE DONE WITH PROCEEDS FROM A NATIONAL LOTTERY BUT HOW CAN THIS BE DONE WHEN IT COMES TO INTERNET GAMING?***
Recognizing an archaic law for what it is is just as important as upholding the laws that make sense and work well in their modern context. The law is never SIMPLY the law, nor should it be. Societies are changing organic entities, that means that their laws must evolve with them as well. That evolution should be slow and thought out, but evolution must occur or the society becomes stagnant and dies.
***VERY VALID POINT. WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS CREATED, THE INTERNET DID NOT EXIST. UP TO NOW “2010” NO INTERNET GAMING LAW EXISTS IN THE BAHAMAS SO UNTIL THEN, NO INTERNET GAMING LAWS ARE BEING BROKEN, THAT’S FACT UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE OTHER WISE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG AS IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY INCLUDING YOU ERASMUS FOLLY AND EVEN THOUGH PAUL HANNA’S MESSAGE IS ONE OF THE MOST HATEFULL THINGS SAID ABOUT BAHAMIANS AS A WHOLE, PLEASE MY FELLOW BAHAMIAN, THINK BEFORE YOU TALK AND SEEK KNOWLEDGE.
BELOW IS THE LINK WHERE YOU, PAUL HANNA AND EVERY OTHER PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND GAMBLING IN THE BAHAMAS CAN FINALLY FIND OUT THE TRUTH:
FEEL FREE TO COPY/PASTE THE LINK
http://www.bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=18020
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Posted By: PAUL HANNA MK11 On: 3/16/2010
Title: RE KVB
KVB HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE BOATS THAT GO TO MIAMI? SEE HOW BAHAMIANS ACT THEN IN THE CASINOS THEN TELL ME IM WRING
***I HAVE AND EVERY SINGLE TIME I WENT, NOT ONE FIGHT, NO CURSING OR IMMATURE BEHAVIOUR.
I HAVE ALSO BEEN TO THE SEMINOLE HARD ROCK CAFÉ CASINO IN SOUTH FLORIDA WHERE I HAVE MET MANY BAHAMIANS WHO ARE ALSO CIVILIZED AND KNOW HOW TO CONTROLL THEMSELVES AND AS A BAHAMIAN, I ACTED MATURELLY ALSO.
THAT’S HOW I SAW THE OTHER BAHAMIANS WHOM I MET BEHAVED.
WHAT ABOUT THE BAHAMIANS WHO YOU MET WHILE GAMBLING ON THE BOATS?
HOW DID THEY ACT?
IN ADDITION, ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE A BAHAMIAN ALSO, HOW DID YOU ACT?***
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Posted By: yourgeneral On: 3/16/2010
Title: Its the law you dummies
Until such time as the law is done away with, if one partakes in said industry, then the fools are criminals, and therefore the police are just doing their job. Sensible people will not deliberately go out there and break the law, knowing they are breaking the law, criminals will though, and they deserve whatever punishment they get. Without laws, we would be living in the bush eating rats.
***Interesting comments GENERAL. CAN YOU SHOW WHERE SETTING UP A CREDIT LINE IN ANY LICENCED BUSINESS IN THE BAHAMAS IS ILLEGAL?
CAN YOU ALSO SHOW WHERE ACCESS ANY INTERNET GAMING WEBSITE IS ILLEGAL IN THE BAHAMAS?
CAN YOU SHOW ME THAT IN THE CONSTITUTION OR IN THE LOTTERY AND GAMING ACT CHAPTER 387?
I WOULD REPHRASE YOUR INITIAL COMMENT WITH THIS:
UNTIL SUCH TIME GAMING LAWS EXISTS, IF ONE PARTAKES IN SAID INDUSTRY, NO LAW IS BEING BROKEN BECAUSE AGAIN, NO SUCH LAW EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE TO BE BROKEN.***
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Posted By: KVB On: 3/16/2010
Title:
That's the same discriminatory attitude the Bahamian Gov't has now. Fairness and equality is the way to go man. Also those type of persons you described are already in the resorts; whether employed, patrons or just loafers.
***VERY VALID POINT KVB, THAT’S WHY SECURITY EXISTS TO THROW THEM OUT BASED ON THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS***
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Posted By: PAUL HANNA On: 3/16/2010
Title: KBV IS WRONG
CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE JUNGLISTS , GANGSTERS ,PIMPS AND DRUGGIES IN THE RESORT CASINOS. PLEASE WE ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO KEEP OUR TOURISTS.
***really, your comment is a classic example of thinking really hard before you talk.
Bahamians = JUNGLISTS GANGSTERS PIMPS AND DRUGGIES
Is that what Bahamians are to you?
And I bet you are going to say you are not included in this right?
I am a Bahamian. I am not a Junglist, a Gangster and Pimp or a Druggie along with many thousands of other Bahamians who I am related too and friends with.
I disagree with you saying “WE” since you who indirectly claims that you are a Bahamian refer to yourself as a “JUNGLIST, GANGSTER, PIMP AND DRUGGIE.***
HAVE OUR OWN CASINO THUS KEEPING ALL MONIES IN THE BAHAMAS.TOO MANY BAHAMIANS TALK BEFORE THEY THINK.
***Very unrealistic and discriminating point. The Bahamas is an import nation and yet you are suggesting that tourists should not be allowed to gamble in the casinos that Bahamians should be allowed to gamble in.
Again, you need to think before you talk.***
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Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 3/15/2010
Title: Crime!
I forgot to add... make these police go after REAL criminals please! Gambling and the number's business doesn't concern us, the general public, REAL CRIME CONCERNS US!
***I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ALSO AS INTERNET CAFES HAVE LEGAL BUSINESS LICENCES, ALLOW THERE CUSTOMERS TO SET UP A CREDIT LINE AS ANY OTHER BUSINESS CAN, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, ALLOW THEIR CUSTOMERS TO ACCESS ANY INTERNET GAMING WEBSITE IN THE WORLD WHICH IS NOT ILLEGAL IN THE BAHAMAS.***
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Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 3/15/2010
Title: Gambling vs Crime
***I AGREE WITH VERY LITTLE OF WHAT YOU SAID BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS IS WHERE WE ARE DEFINETLY NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. SEE BELOW ***
I agree with Moxey-Ingraham. Bahamians gambling on their own should be completely legal - with one caveat - casinos, which serve alcohol. We should not permit Bahamian citizens to gamble where alcohol is served.
***THIS IS WHERE I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
FIRST OF ALL, SINCE YOU INSIST OF CLASSING EVERY SINGLE BAHAMIAN IN THE SAME BOX AS BEING UNABLE TO CONTROL THEM SELVES IN A CASINO WHERE ALCOHOL IS SERVED, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU:
ARE YOU A BAHAMIAN ERASMUS FOLLY?
DOES THE NEGATIVE WAY YOU CLASS BAHAMIANS INCLUDE YOU THE FIRST ANSWER IS YES?
SHOULD BAHAMIANS BE ALLOWED TO GO INTO RESTAURANTS LOCATED IN THE CASINO RESORTS WHERE ALCOHOL IS SERVED?
SHOULD BAHAMIANS BE ALLOWED TO GO INTO THE NIGHT CLUBS IN THE CASINO RESORTS WHERE ALCOHOL IS SERVED?
DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG BECAUSE IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT***
Numbers houses that do not serve alcohol and that are subject to a 'numbers tax' or a national lottery are the only way to go.
***HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
ALL BUSINESSES IN THE BAHAMAS ALREADY PAY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE AND THE FEE IS DETERMINED ON THEIR INCOME FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
ALSO, IF YOU INCREASE THE TAX ON ONE BUSINESS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE TAX ON EVERY OTHER BUSINESS BASED ON THEIR EARNINGS***
I do not encourage allowing Bahamians to gamble in the casinos at this time. I would prevent that for three reasons: 1. Casinos will expatriate most of their earnings,
“”””“since most casinos are foreign owned. “””””
***CAN YOU TELL ME ONE CASINO IN THE BAHAMAS THAT IS OWNED BY A BAHAMIAN?***
If we gamble, we need that money to benefit us - directly, not the casinos
***SO WHAT ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CASINO RESORTS?
DOES THE MONEY THAT THE CASINO MAKES BENEFITS THEM?
IF ALL PERSONS WHO ARE PRESENTLY PREVENTED FROM CASINO GAMING WERE PERMITTED TO DO SO, WOULD THAT BENEFIT THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CASINOS?***
we need a national lottery or a tax on the number's houses - one or the other.
***ONE OF THE FEW THINGS YOU AND I AGREE ON, YES WE DO NEED A NATIONAL LOTTERY BUT AGAIN, HOW CAN YOU TAX AN INTERNET CAFÉ DIFFERANTLY FROM EVERY OTHER BUSINESS IN THE BAHAMAS?
REMEMBER, NOT EVERY INTERNET CAFÉ IN THE BAHAMAS PAYS OUT MONEY BASED ON A RECEIPT MATCHING NUMBERS ON WEBSITES NOT BASED IN THE BAHAMAS?
HOW?***
Our vice can thus be made into a virtue for the next generation's success and education.
***NATIONAL LOTTERY, I AGREE, AGAIN WHEN IT COMES TO NUMBERS,,,,HOW?***
2. Casinos have very advanced strategies for making sure that people lose money in them.
***JUST AS WHEN IT COMES TO NUMBERS, THE STOCK MARKET, RAFFLES, OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY WHERE MONEY AND CHANCE IS INVOLVED WHICH IS WHY GAMBLING IS DEFINED AS A RISK/CHANCE***
Granted, that we know this, we should not encourage Bahamian citizens to gamble in a place that serves alcohol, deliberately disorientates them as a customer, and will 'export' our earnings out of the country.
***SO WHAT ABOUT NON-BAHAMIANS SINCE YOU ARE ONLY FOCUSED ON BAHAMIANS? DO YOU FEEL THAT WE SHOULD ALSO NOT ENCOURAGE NON-BAHAMIANS TO GAMBLE IN A PLACE THAT SERVES ALCOHOL WHICH DELIBRATELY DISORIENTATES THEM AS A CUSTOMER AS WELL AND ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO EARNINGS EXPORTED OUT OF THE BAHAMAS?***
3. A lot of our young men simply don't know how to behave in public - especially under the influence of alcohol and especially if things aren't going 'their way'. Maintaining some distance between them and our tourists is still a VERY wise policy for the government to follow.
***THAT’S WHAT SECURITY AND THE POLICE IS FOR, COMMENTS LIKE THE ONE ABOVE TRULY SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE ABILITES OF THE RBPF AND THE VARIOUS SECURITY DEPARTMENTS IN THE CASINO RESORTS.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT DOES THOSE YOUNG MEN HAVE TO DO WITH ME OR THE OTHER CIVILIZED BAHAMIANS WHO KNOW HOW TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES ACCORDINGLY?
HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT BANNING AN ENTIRE NATIONALTIY BECAUSE OF A FEW YOUNG MEN AS FROM WHAT I SEE ALL AROUND THE WORLD, UNCIVILIZED BEHAVIOUR IS NOT LIMITED TO ANY NATIONALITY.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO NON-BAHAMIANS WHO WERE EVER DRUNK AND DISORDERLY IN A CASINO AND IF SO, THEY SHOULD STILL BE ALLOWED IN THE CASINO REGARDLESS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NON-BAHAMIAN?***
”Gambling in a number's house where the sale of liquor should be prohibited”
***WHAT ABOUT THE CASINOS, SHOULD THE CASINOS DISCONTINUE SELLING LIQUOR AS WELL?***
is one thing and it should be legalized as a national lottery scheme with direct benefit to an education fund - not to the general Public Treasury.
***AGAIN, IT SEEMS THAT THE ONLY THING WE AGREE ON IS HOW THE NATIONAL LOTTERY WOULD BENEFIT THE EDUCATION FUND.***
That or the number's houses should be subject to a gambling tax that, again, goes to a public education fund, not to the public treasury.
***AGAIN, A NUMBERS TAX, HOW?***
That education fund should be administered by an independent, bi-partisan commission with members from the general public with years of experience in education and impeccable integrity overseeing the fund - not our everyday politicians.
***AGREED***
People holding Bahamian residency of some kind and/or permanent residency - not citizenship - should be allowed in the casinos. These are 'natural' clients of the casinos.
***DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, YOU ARE SAYING THAT IF YOU MARRY A TOURIST, ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE A MAN, YOU FEEL THAT YOUR WIFE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO GAMBLE IN THE CASINOS IN THE BAHAMAS BUT YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHT, DO YOU REALIZE THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?
These people will probably play the Bahamian lottery and/or frequent the numbers houses as well, since they can win it tax free in this country.
***SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PERSONS BASED ON THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN ESPECIALLY BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE PERSONS YOU SUPPORT DISCRIMINATING AGAINST INCLUDES YOURSELF?***
We should have a national lottery that tourists can buy into anyway - they could win tax free B$ amounts that must be re-invested in the Bahamas - how's that for a creative solution?!
OUTSIDE THE BOX IN 2010!
***AGAIN, YOUR LAST COMMENT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING YOU AND I DISAGREE ON, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN NOW TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE COMMENTS YOU MADE FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE.
HOPEFULLY***
_______________________________________________________________________
Posted By: KVB On: 3/15/2010
Title: Support
Well said Moxey-Ingraham, HARMLESS activity in LICENSED establishments.
Let Bahamians gamble in our resorts as well....it can possibly sustain these resorts during slow tourist visitation periods and also help prevent the massive lay offs of our friends and family members.
***I 100% AGREE***

Posted By: PAUL HANNA MK11 On: 3/17/2010

Title: KVB RE; PAUL HANNA "DISCREDITED"

I AM VERY SORRY THAT YOU FEEL THAT WAY SO THEREFORE I APOLOGISE UNRESERVEDLY.I AM NOT PLAYING ANY GAMES I AM SIMPLY REACTING TO COMMENTS ON HERE.AS FOR THE REAL PAUL HANNA (WHO SEWED THE SEEDS OFDOUBT)HOW AM I TO KNOW THAT THERE IS ANOTHER PAUL HANNA WHO COMMENTS.ITS JUST AS WELL THAT ITS NOT JOHN SMITH.ALL FUTURE COMMENTS MY ME WILL BE LABELLED PAUL HANNA MK11 ONCE AGAIN KVB I AM VERY SORRY.

Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 3/16/2010

Title: Laws

@yourgeneral
I disagree strongly. Not all laws are merely 'laws'. On one level, yes, but on another level, one of the biggest problems facing the Bahamas is that is has many archaic laws on the books. The gambling laws are one such set of laws. It is ludicrous that we don't have a national lottery or a taxed 'gaming' system for locals in this country in 2010. Beyond ludicrous. The result is there for all to see - an illegal gaming industry, where very few benefit. This law must be changed. The Bahamian people in deed, if not in word, have shown that they want some form of gambling. The government must figure out how to accommodate this development while benefiting the country in a positive way. Proceeds from gambling should go to a consolidated education fund - not the public treasury, with oversight that is bipartisan and non-governmental. Thus, monies wasted in present vice can go towards a more educated and virtuous future. This is the ONLY logical and practical path to take on this issue. Recognizing an archaic law for what it is is just as important as upholding the laws that make sense and work well in their modern context. The law is never SIMPLY the law, nor should it be. Societies are changing organic entities, that means that their laws must evolve with them as well. That evolution should be slow and thought out, but evolution must occur or the society becomes stagnant and dies.

Posted By: KVB On: 3/16/2010

Title:

discredited*

Posted By: KVB On: 3/16/2010

Title: Paul Hanna

No, I have yet to go...you or whomever have discreted yourselves to warrant any future responses from me with the games you're playing Paul Hanna.

Posted By: PAUL HANNA MK11 On: 3/16/2010

Title: RE KVB

KVB HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE BOATS THAT GO TO MIAMI? SEE HOW BAHAMIANS ACT THEN IN THE CASINOS THEN TELL ME IM WRING

Posted By: paul hanna On: 3/16/2010

Title: re real paul hanna

i am also called paul hanna so therefore i am also the real paul hanna too

Posted By: yourgeneral On: 3/16/2010

Title: Its the law you dummies

Until such time as the law is done away with, if one partakes in said industry, then the fools are criminals, and therefore the police are just doing their job. Sensible people will not deliberately go out there and break the law, knowing they are breaking the law, criminals will though, and they deserve whatever punishment they get. Without laws, we would be living in the bush eating rats.

Posted By: KVB On: 3/16/2010

Title:

That's the same discriminatory attitude the Bahamian Gov't has now. Fairness and equality is the way to go man. Also those type of persons you described are already in the resorts; whether employed, patrons or just loafers.

Posted By: PAUL HANNA On: 3/16/2010

Title: Real Paul Hanna

I am the real Paul Hanna

Posted By: PAUL HANNA On: 3/16/2010

Title:

TO YOU "PAUL HANNA"..TRY AND MAKE A USEFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE DISCUSSION INSTEAD OF IMITATING ME PLEASE.

Posted By: PAUL HANNA On: 3/16/2010

Title:

However, your point is still valid. I spoke before I thinked.

Posted By: PAUL HANNA On: 3/16/2010

Title: KBV IS WRONG

CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE JUNGLISTS , GANGSTERS ,PIMPS AND DRUGGIES IN THE RESORT CASINOS. PLEASE WE ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO KEEP OUR TOURISTS.I SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN CASINO THUS KEEPING ALL MONIES IN THE BAHAMAS.TOO MANY BAHAMIANS TALK BEFORE THEY THINK.

Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 3/15/2010

Title: Crime!

I forgot to add... make these police go after REAL criminals please! Gambling and the number's business doesn't concern us, the general public, REAL CRIME CONCERNS US!

Posted By: Erasmus Folly On: 3/15/2010

Title: Gambling vs Crime

I agree with Moxey-Ingraham. Bahamians gambling on their own should be completely legal - with one caveat - casinos, which serve alcohol. We should not permit Bahamian citizens to gamble where alcohol is served. Numbers houses that do not serve alcohol and that are subject to a 'numbers tax' or a national lottery are the only way to go.
I do not encourage allowing Bahamians to gamble in the casinos at this time. I would prevent that for three reasons: 1. Casinos will expatriate most of their earnings, since most casinos are foreign owned. If we gamble, we need that money to benefit us - directly, not the casinos - we need a national lottery or a tax on the number's houses - one or the other. Our vice can thus be made into a virtue for the next generation's success and education. 2. Casinos have very advanced strategies for making sure that people lose money in them. Granted, that we know this, we should not encourage Bahamian citizens to gamble in a place that serves alcohol, deliberately disorientates them as a customer, and will 'export' our earnings out of the country. 3. A lot of our young men simply don't know how to behave in public - especially under the influence of alcohol and especially if things aren't going 'their way'. Maintaining some distance between them and our tourists is still a VERY wise policy for the government to follow.
Gambling in a number's house where the sale of liquor should be prohibited is one thing and it should be legalized as a national lottery scheme with direct benefit to an education fund - not to the general Public Treasury. That or the number's houses should be subject to a gambling tax that, again, goes to a public education fund, not to the public treasury. That education fund should be administered by an independent, bi-partisan commission with members from the general public with years of experience in education and impeccable integrity overseeing the fund - not our everyday politicians.
People holding Bahamian residency of some kind and/or permanent residency - not citizenship - should be allowed in the casinos. These are 'natural' clients of the casinos. These people will probably play the Bahamian lottery and/or frequent the numbers houses as well, since they can win it tax free in this country. We should have a national lottery that tourists can buy into anyway - they could win tax free B$ amounts that must be re-invested in the Bahamas - how's that for a creative solution?!
OUTSIDE THE BOX IN 2010!

Posted By: KVB On: 3/15/2010

Title: Support

Well said Moxey-Ingraham, HARMLESS activity in LICENSED establishments.
Let Bahamians gamble in our resorts as well....it can possibly sustain these resorts during slow tourist visitation periods and also help prevent the massive lay offs of our friends and family members.

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