Man dies after shooting outside nightclub

Bahamianpride 8 years, 7 months ago

Night clubs and Honda's = death Especially at 4 a.m.

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrades I believe there should be an enforced 2:00 am Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays closing time curlew placed on all night clubs, bars, dancing rooms and after hours liquor establishments.
Means last call for alcohol beverages, must be taken no later than 1:30 am, and promptly removed off all tables at 2:00 am. Closing Curfew Sundays thru Wednesdays @ 1:00 am.
This would be a liquor licensing enforced closing time curfew, with heavy fines of $5,000 for all first-time offenders, followed with the loss of liquor licenses for a period of 3 months for repeat offenders. Serial offenders would automatically face the permanent loss of their liquor licenses and be permanently barred from applying for new liquor licenses,.
In the meantime, we should call upon such establishments to voluntarily enforce such closing curfews.

B_I_D___ 8 years, 7 months ago

I believe there is a shut down time of 1am or 2am in the law...but it is ignored...often with said nightclubs being protected and secured by police officers acting as bouncers to the club.

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrade the law also demands retail liquor stores stop selling alcoholic by 9:00 pm, but it is not enforced. You are not supposed be allowed to buy cold beer to drink on the go at these retail establishments but you can.
During my day you could stop buy a Chinese establishment window and buy a cold beer to go. No matter what rocks you turn over in Bahamland, the laws are not being enforced as they should be.

Emac 8 years, 7 months ago

"Comrades I believe there should be an enforced 2:00 am Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays closing time curlew placed on all night clubs, bars, dancing rooms and after hours liquor establishments" Why do we always try to take away the freedom of everyone just because a few rogues are out of hand. Even if we close nightclubs and or bars at 6pm in the evening that does not guarantee that someone will NOT get killed outside a nightclub. People are getting killed in broad daylight-So obviously it has nothing to do with the hours night clubs are opened. We need to stop looking at this quick Band-Aid fix and really get to the core of the problem. The next thing people will be asking for is to have a national curfew where everyone has to be off the street at 10pm.SMT The crisis we are seeing now has been in the making for decades. It is certainly not going away overnight. It's gonna take the cooperation of the community, the police and the government.

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrade Emac, the operative word I used is the law must be "enforced". We have long standing liquor establishment laws going unenforced under watchful eyes of the liquor licensing authorities. At 4;00 in wee hours early morning, you don't need have access to liquor. Comrades I say, up to 2:00 am, you can render to Caesar, all you wish but after 2:00 you must begin to render yourself back to your place of abode.

sheeprunner12 8 years, 7 months ago

We need to ban ALL tinted Hondas and Nissans from Nassau, place an accelerator ceiling of 40 mph on all civilian vehicles .......... and put in a 11 pm to 6am curfew on New Providence indefinitely .................. come on BJ ....... now that's three good ideas for you

Emac 8 years, 7 months ago

@Tal-I need access to liquor at 4:00 am in the morning, just because I have a right to get it whenever I want. Besides, the last time I checked, I live in a free country. @sheeprunner-No curfew please...Why should I have to stay home like a child just because the commissioner and the government can't get their shit together. When all has been said and done, we live in a democracy, not a police state. SMH. But I thank God you two have nothing to do with governing the Bahamas,

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrade Emac, what's more important, reducing the opportunities to commit crimes. or arguing about denying those charged with crimes (still presumed innocent) reasonable bail. Maybe you think the answer is bring back the hangman's noose?
if we do not become proactive, the tourists and seasonal visitors will all soon vanish. Then what?
We can't just keep painting fresh coats paint over crime, thinking we are going to hide it from the tourism markets we must continue attracting to sustain our economy.
Comrade Emac, do you realize that our capital city of Nassau, excluding cruise ship arrivals, only attracted 322,487 foreign arrivals by first port of entry, during the entire year 2014? That is a shocking reduction down from 2013's total of 365,736.
I site these statics to demonstrate that Baha Mar was doomed to financial failure, long before the first shovel of dirt was shoveled by the prime minister.
We are attracting the KFC and McDonald's crowed tourists. And, the cruise ships are warning them NOT to venture beyond the cruise ships.
Our ministry of tourism is a sad case of poor marketing.

Emac 8 years, 7 months ago

"what's more important, reducing the opportunities to commit crimes." Tal, I couldn't agree with you more. I am all for reducing the opportunities to commit crimes. BUT not when it infringes on my right. The most important part of the Constitution of the Bahamas to me is, Chapter III – Protection of Fundamental Rights and Freedom of the Individual. That means that I can move around any public space, anytime I want without interference, as long as I am not bothering anyone or their property. I simply refuse to live in any country where authorities tell me that I cannot drink during a certain time or I have to stay in doors at a set time because of any reason, unless of course it is a state of emergency. Crime in the Bahamas is a grave concern, but it is not a state of emergency. The authority need to go after the law breakers with full force, leave the innocent people alone, including the young men who get send away to hardcore Foxhell Prison for a joint. The major problem is that we still follow after those British archaic laws that have been on our books before independence. The world has changed since then. And what further compounds the problem at hand is that these jackasses in the HOA do not care or have the guts to amend the laws to keep up with the time. Especially that one who like to shuffle round like a dam chicken without a head. SMT...

sheeprunner12 8 years, 7 months ago

Well the criminals are sure enjoying their Chapter 3 rights .......... while the law-abiding citizens cannot ......... look around at how our homes, cars and businesses, schools and churches are barricaded and under CCTV ....... more fortified than Fox Hill Prison .......... take your pick Emac

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

I think Comrade Emac means well but brings little substance along with his arguments. The people need strong and attainable solutions, or this country will go to hell. If he wishes to cater to the freedom criminals to rob, rape and murder during wee hours of the early morning, he can count the rest of us out of riding on his freedom for criminals express.

hurricane 8 years, 7 months ago

And your suggestion of a curfew is one of substance??? lolol Do you have any idea how many people are being shot and killed around the clock? Its a naive suggestion that doesn't even remotely arrive at the root cause.

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrade, my suggestion is to activate and enforce a curfew around licensed by the state night clubs and dancing venues. Few things are certain in curtailing crimes. But rest assured if there are no live bodies in clubs after set hours operations, there will be less dead bodies laying on pavements on the outside of the clubs.
I would go as far as to order the closing of all service stations, convenience stores, etc - after midnight, 7 days per week - and not just as an emergency temporary measure but permanently.

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrade Emac, clubs are privately owned establishments, operating under licensing rules and regulations and to enforce the closing times of liquour types establishments, at set hours, will not impede a private person's free movement once off the premises.
Cities, municipalities and towns, across the US, Canada and Europe, set and enforce business hours to reduce crime temptations and opportunities. Employers also have a legal responsibility to make every effort at protecting their employees during working hours.

Emac 8 years, 7 months ago

Tal, that's why I like to go to the city so nice that they named it twice! New York is a prime example of a metropolis that has 24 hours nightclubs that was once crime ridden. Did the major order a curfew or did the authorities try to take away the freedom of the innocent??? No, they tackled the crime element head on with sensible solutions, because they had the will to do so. All I am saying is that the crime problem is pretty simple to resolve. No need to take extreme measures. The politicians just need to take their heads out of the sand and man up! Oh and by the way, I see many people are against the bill that would make parents responsible for their child's crime or whatever. In my opinion, that is certainly the best thing that Bernard Nottage has ever brought to the table. Since these lousy parents know nothing or care less about bringing up a child in the right way, then make em responsible. There is no way a 16 year old should be roaming the streets at night. If a mother cannot rule her son who is 16, then it is her duty to go to the police for his ass. This bill is just one of the ways that would help in tackling this thing from the root.

sheeprunner12 8 years, 7 months ago

The elected NYC Mayor and an elected Police Commissioner can do that in New York ...... we don't have that luxury in The Bahamas ...... we have a PM who selects Ministers and COP for his own political reasons and who have to answer to him 24-7 ............. apples and oranges

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrades, since the jury is still out on the real reasons NYC's crime rates experienced the decline it did, as crime also declined at the same exact time across most of the other major US cities, what if we all were to become more civilized.
Instead of overcrowding our jail cells and its corridors, maybe it is time we judges begin with sending the thugs up to the Sandilands Hospital Ward, for some serious observation, you know the ward that cares for the mentally disturbed.
In the cases some these thugs - maybe these animal acting, are more suited for a bus ride the clinic at the Bahama Humane Society.
I say you keep them until they can undergo and pass a series sanity rehabilitation examinations. If after undergoing your treatment and you still looking at the doctors and nurses, with ya glossy wonky eyes - they keep you away from returning back to society.
Comrades I would suggest NYC's Mayor and Policeman's Chief, found a way to get the residents NYC's communities, to begin acting more civilized toward the persons of each other and their properties.

Emac 8 years, 7 months ago

Maybe Perry "Shuffling" Christie and Bernard "Bumbling" Nottage ought to take note of how Rudy Giuliani took New York back from the gangsters-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoral...">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoral... Sheeprunner says,"we have a PM who selects Ministers and COP for his own political reasons and who have to answer to him 24-7". You are proving my point. The argument I am presenting is simply this, the crime problem can be solved without having to go thru extreme measures such as setting curfews for adults. Since you are saying that the PM gat favorite people doing whatever, the same thing would be applied to the curfew. The PLP criminals would be able to roam the city and wreak havoc just like they are doing now. Similarly, only certain clubs would be allowed to operate out of the boundaries set by Tal. So you see, no matter what measures are taken, they will be ineffective as long as there is favoritism. The crime issue is bigger than the little fixes sheeprunner and Tal are brining to the table. The responsibility lies in the hands of the government. So tell me that the government is failing when it comes to delivering on crime, period. But don't tell me that the government is failing because a curfew is needed or some other stupid suggestion. If one man can take the initiative to make New York a safer place, then why can't a whole government do the same to make a place safer that has far less people than New York. So you see Sheeprunner, ain no apples and oranges here.

TalRussell 8 years, 7 months ago

Comrades, there is one problem with your theory that just because NYC's Mayor Rudy Giuliani's, did prosecute juveniles who gone broken peoples house windows theory, and even if it had a positive effect on curtailing "minor" crimes, how do you suppose it can work in Nassau Town's. economically depressed communities whose dwellings have no damn glass windows to broken?
Some of we entire islands likes Papa Hubert's Cooper's Town, be hard-pressed find even one pane house window glass, someone broken. Go take looks at most depressed areas houses in PM's constituency of Centerville.
What is it with prime ministerial constituencies. Is it true Papa. never spent his constituency allowances and it still locked-up in public treasury's reinforced steel vault?
I think we may have have just uncovered, why we got's serious community problems.
How I wish I had just made all this up.

TruePeople 8 years, 7 months ago

Bey y'all arguing over foolishness.

Regardless of what, truss me, people gone get shot in Nassau.

This has been the case since 1492!

Sickened 8 years, 7 months ago

I think more road blocks are needed. I have no problem fighting a little traffic at night for a road block. It was effective when they did it (numerous arrests for warrants, guns found, drugs found). Put these road blocks all over the place. But you have to pay the police the overtime if accrued.

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